U.S. Supreme Court: Post-Nino Edition

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fucking disgusting

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:41 (four years ago) link

Give me your tired, but not too tired, we’re not made of money here

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 27 January 2020 21:16 (four years ago) link

Wait, I havent read the ruling itself yet but based on the news isn’t this just a temporary, not on the merits decision that says no injunction for the moment?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 27 January 2020 21:38 (four years ago) link

yes, it allows the trump administration's plans to proceed (not sure on the timeline for their plans to implement?) while challenges work their way up the system

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link

Man, I was really thrown off by the emoji in your dn for a sec, like what an odd reaction to that

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 27 January 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link

it does insert a sometime unwanted levity to any topic

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

https://i.imgur.com/qEYxCJr.png

holy shit, have never considered this. NYT on the beat!!!!

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 28 February 2020 19:12 (four years ago) link

so i think i have one more 'good' year

The New York Times reports:

The Supreme Court on Monday agreed to hear a third major case on the Affordable Care Act, President Barack Obama’s health care law, granting petitions from Democratic state officials and the House of Representatives in a case with the potential to wipe out the entire law. The court did not say when it would hear the case, but, under its ordinary practices, arguments would be held in the fall and a decision would land in the spring or summer of 2021.

Democrats, who consider health care a winning issue and worry about possible changes in the composition of the Supreme Court, had urged the justices to act quickly even though lower courts had not issued definitive rulings. They wanted to keep the fate of the Affordable Care Act, sometimes called Obamacare, in the public eye during the presidential campaign and to ensure that the appeal was decided while justices who had rejected earlier challenges remain the court.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 March 2020 15:36 (four years ago) link

possible changes in the composition of the Supreme Court

I'm assuming this is code for RBG

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 2 March 2020 18:16 (four years ago) link

xp some real galaxy brain stuff that this is actually good because it's bad electoral politics for the trump administration

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 2 March 2020 18:28 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Die, voters!

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court denied its support Monday for the growing consensus that voting in the midst of a pandemic may be best done by mail.

Refusing to depart from its opposition to last-minute changes that can confuse voters, the justices blocked a federal court order that voters in Wisconsin should be able to vote absentee for six days beyond Tuesday's primary election.

"Extending the date by which ballots may be cast by voters — not just received by the municipal clerks but cast by voters — for an additional six days after the scheduled election day fundamentally alters the nature of the election," the court said in an unsigned opinion.

The vote broke down on ideological lines, with the four liberal justices dissenting.

"The question here is whether tens of thousands of Wisconsin citizens can vote safely in the midst of a pandemic," Associate Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote. Under the court's decision, "either they will have to brave the polls, endangering their own and others’ safety. Or they will lose their right to vote, through no fault of their own."

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 00:09 (four years ago) link

BREAKING: Supreme Court on 5 to 4 vote sides with Wisconsin Republicans and says absentee voting cannot be extended

There’s a Wisconsin primary scheduled for Tuesday to vote on an elected judge position ( and I think Biden v Sanders also). Democratic governor tried to postpone the election and Republican legislators won in Wisconsin courts and federal that Wisconsin constitution doesn’t give governor that power. Governor tried to extend period for submitting absentee ballots and Republicans challenged that all the way to US Supreme Court and won.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 00:13 (four years ago) link

The issue for Wisconsin voters should be that the Republican legislators blocked the governor's plan in the first place, putting them in jeopardy. If the state constitution legit doesn't give the governor that power (which seems likely), then surely the legislature had the power to make that happen and failed to use it to protect the safety of voters. They won the battle, but at the cost of parading in front of the whole state what assholes they are.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 00:19 (four years ago) link

does this mean that in-person voting will happen? it does seem like an attempt to suppress the vote. I hope the democrats can optimize the number of voters by November

Dan S, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 00:36 (four years ago) link

The in place voting is now scheduled for tomorrow but they’re having trouble getting volunteers to work polling places and likely will have less polling spots open.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 02:53 (four years ago) link

The jerks who elected Republican legislators are probably happy with Republican legislators doing this.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 02:55 (four years ago) link

There's always a ray of hope that some of the voters in Wisconsin who once vaguely thought they liked Republican ideas will tire of the flaming assholes on parade.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 03:12 (four years ago) link

Milwaukee will have five polling places tomorrow, instead of 180. Five! My mom, who's been waiting for her absentee ballot for ~a month, won't get to vote.

geoffreyess, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 04:28 (four years ago) link

This is insanity

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 04:29 (four years ago) link

I have no idea what the political climate is like in WI right now. Are there going to be repercussions for this shit or are people rolling with it?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 04:39 (four years ago) link

People have rioted over less

silby, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 04:48 (four years ago) link

Yes, they have, but will they now?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 04:56 (four years ago) link

ashamed to say that one of those WI-R legislators is a family member of mine. not immediately close but have had to be made more and more aware of their shitty political decisions over the more recent Walker/Evers years.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 04:57 (four years ago) link

Terrible situation in Wisconsin. But Justice Roberts, who keeps insisting he’s impartial, is comfortable with the ruling

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 12:22 (four years ago) link

he's an umpire iirc

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 12:23 (four years ago) link

tip for voting in WI: wear a hazmat suit covered in protest signs

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:44 (four years ago) link

then burn the state capitol down on the way home

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:44 (four years ago) link

fucking bullshit

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:44 (four years ago) link

It's been quite surprising to see the sheer numbers of Twitter pundits suddenly shocked, shocked I tell you(!), that Roberts might not be as impartial as he hinted.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:48 (four years ago) link

if you’re young and healthy and vote in a heavy republican district just go and conspicuously cough at the old whites. what are they going to do? Arrest you?

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 15:00 (four years ago) link

In the middle of the coronavirus pandemic, THIS is the line for in person voting as the polls open for Election Day in Wisconsin. #COVID19 #ElectionDay pic.twitter.com/WplsSHy9RF

— Omar Jimenez (@OmarJimenez) April 7, 2020

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 15:03 (four years ago) link

also while it’s fun and cool and good to wish death on the most powerful man in the world I know of 5 guys that i humbly submit would be better targets for covid-19

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 15:05 (four years ago) link

die, fuckers

sleeve, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 15:14 (four years ago) link

elections have consequences

but so did that one time mcconnell brazenly STOLE a supreme court seat and got away with it and counts it as his greatest legislative moment.

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 15:17 (four years ago) link

oh I bet there’s time for McConnell and the fellas to top it

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 15:21 (four years ago) link

not to blame the victims here, but: WEAR YOUR FUCKING MASKS

Polls open in minutes. Here’s a look at the line in Waukesha, the city’s only polling location pic.twitter.com/Uqg08gannt

— Matt Smith (@mattsmith_news) April 7, 2020

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 15:24 (four years ago) link

Waukesha is the most rock-solid Republican part of the state btw.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 16:06 (four years ago) link

Or rather Waukesha County is -- city of Waukesha is the liberal mecca of the county (still voted for Walker over Evers though)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 16:07 (four years ago) link

there are literally only 5 polling places open in Milwaukee. the election is a sham.

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 16:10 (four years ago) link

if the entire election plays out like this, shit is going to get apocalyptic, with the 1999 WTO protest crew returned from the dead as the leaders, and everyone in homemade hazmat suits and masks prowling the streets with pitchforks

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 16:15 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

So Thomas asked a question this morning during the first live stream!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 May 2020 14:54 (three years ago) link

!!!!

holy shit

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 May 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link

Every time this thread gets bumped I'm terrified it's going to be something like "RBG joins the majority in declaring the entire concept of Federal statute unconstitutional"

silby, Monday, 4 May 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link

during the first live stream!

Was he wearing sweatpants?

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 4 May 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link

It seems plausible that SCOTUS will establish a heightened standard for subpoenas targeting the president, then send the case back down to the lower courts to determine whether Vance's subpoena of Trump's tax returns meets that standard.

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) May 12, 2020

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link

NB: I will never get used to Thomas asking questions.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

copying and pasting the good NYT op-eds at length, before my canceled subscription paywall goes into effect.

The Supreme Court, Too, Is on the Brink

The Supreme Court made the indisputably right call last week when it refused to block California from limiting attendance at religious services in an effort to control the spread of Covid-19.

A Southern California church, represented by a Chicago-based organization, the Thomas More Society, which most often defends anti-abortion activists, had sought the justices’ intervention with the argument that by limiting worshipers to the lesser of 25 percent of building capacity or 100 people, while setting a 50 percent occupancy cap on retail stores, California was discriminating against religion in violation of the Constitution’s Free Exercise Clause.

Given the obvious difference between walking through a store and sitting among fellow worshipers for an hour or more, as well as the documented spread of the virus through church attendance in such places as Sacramento (71 cases), Seattle (32 cases) and South Korea (over 5,000 cases traced to one person at a religious service), California’s limits are both sensitive and sensible, hardly the basis for constitutional outrage or judicial second-guessing.

So why did the court’s order, issued as midnight approached on Friday night, fill me with dread rather than relief?

It was because in a ruling that should have been unanimous, the vote was 5 to 4. And it was because of who the four dissenters were: the four most conservative justices, two of them appointed by the president who a couple of months ago was demanding that churches be allowed to open by Easter and who, even before the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis, was openly encouraging protests in the capitals of states not reopening as quickly as he would like.

As an astonished country witnessed on Monday night, as he held a Bible in front of a church near the White House after demonstrators were violently cleared from his path, Donald Trump is using religion as a cultural wedge to deflect attention from the consequences of his own ineptitude. The recognition that four Supreme Court justices — Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh — would have invoked the court’s power to undermine fact-based public policy in the name of a misbegotten claim of religious discrimination was beyond depressing. It was terrifying.

Does that sound like an overstatement? Take a look at Justice Kavanaugh’s dissenting opinion. “California’s latest safety guidelines discriminate against places of worship and in favor of comparable secular businesses,” he wrote. “Such discrimination violates the First Amendment.”

It’s interesting that while Justices Gorsuch and Thomas signed Justice Kavanaugh’s opinion, Justice Alito did not. Perhaps he’s just too good a lawyer to subscribe to the flimsy analysis underlying this opinion. Fair enough, but he evidently couldn’t be bothered to explain his own dissenting vote. And no less than his fellow dissenters, he obviously inhaled the unfounded claim of religious discrimination that the president has injected into an atmosphere already saturated with polarizing rhetoric.

Here’s what’s wrong with the Kavanaugh opinion: He throws words around imprecisely in a context where precision is everything. The state’s rules “discriminate.” We’re all against discrimination. But what does this potent word mean? To discriminate, in the way law uses the word, means to treat differently things that are alike, without a good reason for doing so. That’s why racial discrimination, for example, is almost always unconstitutional. People are people regardless of their race, and the government needs a powerful reason for using race to treat people differently.

The concept of discrimination, properly understood, simply doesn’t fit this case. California is not subjecting things that are alike to treatment that’s different. Churches are not like the retail stores or “cannabis dispensaries” in Justice Kavanaugh’s list of “comparable secular businesses.” Sitting in communal worship for an hour or more is not like picking up a prescription, or a pizza, or an ounce of marijuana. You don’t need a degree in either law or public health to figure that out. If anything, California is giving churches preferential treatment, since other places where people gather in large numbers like lecture halls and theaters are still off limits.

So what was the dissenters’ problem? Justice Kavanaugh’s opinion offers a clue. The Christian observance of Pentecost was last Sunday, and the clock was ticking as the justices considered the South Bay United Pentecostal Church’s request. “The church would suffer irreparable harm from not being able to hold services on Pentecost Sunday in a way that comparable secular businesses and persons can conduct their activities,” Justice Kavanaugh wrote. What does that sentence even mean? What’s the secular comparator when it comes to observing Pentecost? A Sunday afternoon softball game?

I’m baffled by why a particular liturgical observance should have even a walk-on role in this opinion. Last weekend was also Shavuot, a major Jewish holiday. But it’s the Christian calendar about which recently appointed federal judges seem exclusively concerned. In April, Judge Justin Walker of the Federal District Court in Louisville, Ky., blocked that city from enforcing a ban on drive-in church services. “On Holy Thursday, an American mayor criminalized the communal celebration of Easter,” his overheated opinion began. (Judge Walker is Senator Mitch McConnell’s young protégé who, barring a miracle or a pair of righteous Republican senators, is on the verge of confirmation to the powerful federal appeals court in Washington, D.C.).

In any event, no one was stopping the church from observing Pentecost. As its own brief points out, the church conducts as many as five services on a typical Sunday, each attracting 200 to 300 worshipers. As the state points out, it could schedule more services.

The only other opinion filed in this case was that of Chief Justice John Roberts, explaining why the court was denying the church’s request. I am willing to bet that he never intended to write anything; orders denying applications of this sort are typically issued without explanation.

But he must have concluded that the Kavanaugh dissent couldn’t go unrebuted. Writing just for himself in five paragraphs devoid of rhetoric and labeled “concurring in denial of application for injunctive relief,” he offered a sober explanation of the obvious. He noted that “similar or more severe restrictions apply to comparable secular gatherings, including lectures, concerts, movie showings, spectator sports, and theatrical performances, where large groups of people gather in close proximity for extended periods of time.” The California rule, he observed, “exempts or treats more leniently only dissimilar activities, such as operating grocery stores, banks, and laundromats, in which people neither congregate in large groups nor remain in close proximity for extended periods.”

After noting the severity of the pandemic and the “dynamic and fact-intensive” question of how to respond to it, Chief Justice Roberts said that the politically accountable state officials charged with answering that question were entitled to act within “broad limits” and “should not be subject to second-guessing by an unelected federal judiciary, which lacks the background, competence, and expertise to assess public health and is not accountable to the people.”

Predictably, the chief justice was excoriated on the political right, in recognition that his vote was the one that mattered, just as in the Obamacare case eight years ago, for which the right has never forgiven him. “It wasn’t just religious liberty that Chief Justice Roberts strangled,” read the headline on a piece in The Hill by Andrew McCarthy, a reliable ally of the president. The Wall Street Journal accused Chief Justice Roberts of “faux judicial modesty,” in an echo, which the chief justice surely didn’t miss, of the “faux judicial restraint” critique that Justice Antonin Scalia hurled at him early in his Supreme Court tenure. Everyone who cares about the Supreme Court is busy looking for signs of how John Roberts will navigate the political thicket in which the court finds itself, how he will reconcile his conservative heart and his institution- and history-minded head.

Until recently, I thought I saw signs that at least he wasn’t completely alone, that Brett Kavanaugh was evolving into something of a soul mate, willing to stand with the chief and provide a bit of cover. For example, the court just last week turned down a Trump administration request to block a federal district judge’s order to consider moving hundreds of medically vulnerable inmates out of a low-security federal prison in Ohio. The unsigned order noted only that “Justice Thomas, Justice Alito and Justice Gorsuch would grant the application.” (Note that these three observed the norm, in cases that reach the court in this posture, of noting their dissent without further explanation.) On the mental chart that I maintain of such developments, Justice Kavanaugh’s refusal to join the three dissenters was a data point.

But then came the California church case. Justice Kavanaugh might have chosen to observe the norm, casting his vote without issuing an opinion that served only to raise the political temperature. Instead of that unspoken gesture toward collegiality, he gave us more proof that the polarization roiling the country has the Supreme Court in its grip. The court can’t save us; that much is clear. It can’t even save itself.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 June 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link

That's a really well-done analysis.

There's a small part of me -- maybe both too optimistic and too cynical at the same time -- that wonders if this vote would go the same way even with another conservative justice, that the other four are throwing red meat to the base while not actually doing anything of consequence. Sort of the same way that the right wing doesn't seem to really want to overturn Roe v Wade, just to keep it as a cattle prod.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 4 June 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link


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