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haha yeah that is not a blurb I would put on the back cover

that piece about going back in time to fix her relationship with her mother was in that collection I read recently ("The Hidden Side of the Moon"), really great in its emotional depth, all these conflicting impulses and desires about how she wants to be seen by (and see) her mother. I'm glad a bunch of her stuff has come back into print recently, would love a comprehensive collection of her short fiction and/or criticism.

I picked up Jeff Vandameer's Dead Astronauts in the library, and it passed the totally unfair, ruthless Random Read Test, which rarely happens. So far so good: he fuses show and tell via starlit, pungent, burnt-in imagery, which can also turn slippery, like wet tattoos and brands---the bitterness of many defeats/continuations, also the idealism and love of common cause and deep connection/metamorphosis, revelations along the way---the three principals have been through a lot together, incl. killing themselves and each other--- story now: once more unto the breech, for another assault on the City and the Company:

The equation of the Company eluded Chen, perhaps because he had been lost within it once upon a time (he used to work for it, was maybe created by it; assaults tend to or maybe always incl. Chen vs. Chen, physically and every other way.)Or as he said sometimes, the system abhors source, makes its mapping into a maze, a mockery, and the more you think you understand it, the more you are colonized by it, and lost.
So, the "affecting poetic compression" I mentioned re that story by early New Waver Sonya Dorman, but also like he's been smoking Ballard, Malzberg, early Delany, Peter Watts. Maybe PKD, we'll see (ontology figures, but don't yet know how much or how).

*Vandermeer's"!

sounds promising

It sure did, but now the occasional bits of poo are starting to accrue, and just ruined a whole chapter. Think I'm done.

A few interviews with Brian Stableford on his productivity, translations (including which ones he likes best) and quite a few bleak pronouncements about what he's doing. Most of these are getting old.

"If your august predecessor Charlie Brown was correct when he declared that print-on-demand books don’t really count as publications, but only as ‘‘potential publications’’ then I suppose I ceased to exist ten years ago, when I was finally relegated from the commercial arena, but if physicists are right in deeming that even the hardest vacuum is a seething chaos of imperceptible subatomic particles, I guess there’s some potential even in the virtual vacuum in which I’m working nowadays. At present I’m trying to produce 24 volumes of translation and a quarter of a million words of fiction per year, which would be quite a lot of potential if anyone ever paid enough attention to any of it to cause it to materialize; but if no one does, it hardly matters; I don’t have anything else to do."

https://locusmag.com/2011/11/spotlight-on-brian-stableford-translator-and-author/
https://www.sfintranslation.com/?p=4408
http://theakersquarterly.blogspot.com/2011/01/brian-stableford-new-worlds-of-fantasy.html
http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/nonfiction/intbs06.htm

Recently learned he's written a bit about Sopor Aeternus and other goth music!

Where would you suggest someone start with Stableford, and why?
xpost The finely tuned approach of Vandermeer's latest (my first by him) leaves no room to stumble, without disturbing the vibe and groove toward overwrought solemnity and facefalls--even though he gets up and continues, the story's arrived at some very bad precedents. My life's too short.
Random Read Test is ready for these possibly tasty Tors:
http://view.mail.macmillan.com/?qs=ad7ebe31fa0cbca348929a951f49ab8d7e63a7353658c4af53b6b3c037b182dca03a5517118da7e82ecc9f824aa4de4052873b96c0ea45151a38114a6642a62ffcb717a31636300a1845c1459e069e43197eb9992fb1e6a3

is altered carbon good

No

thanks. lol

altered carbon (the novel) has some of the worst sex scene i have ever read, like 40 yo virgin "bag of sand" bad

Yeah the writing is appallingly bad and all the ideas are one-dimensional riffs on old cyberpunk tropes

is there even any good cyberpunk besides Gibson?

KW Jeter’s Dr. Adder, Glass Hammer and Death Arms, early Bruce Sterling (Islands in the Net, Schismatrix, Crystal Express), handful of other things

thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLlj_GeKniA

omg

Lmao

Maybe we should poll that

Thats from... 1993?

(A Cybernaut I Should Turn to Be)

Simak was such a weirdo: https://sciencefictionruminations.com/2020/02/08/book-review-the-werewolf-principle-clifford-d-simak-1967/#more-19629

Dow- Again ashamed to admit that aside from some articles written by him, I haven't started on Stableford yet, so it's questionable that I own 5 novels by him (some were charity shop finds and some might have been going scarce).

He's written all kinds. He's a specialist in biological hard SF; he's done a fair amount of stuff in the vein of Kim Newman's Anno Dracula and Moore's League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, sometimes with characters, writers and trends even more obscure and out of fashion; he written a bunch of Warhammer and vampire/werewolf stuff in the 90s for cash but it's some of his most acclaimed work; he done a lot of decadent, Lovecraftian and dying earth stuff.

I was originally going to start with Curse Of The Coral Bride but I want to read all my Clark Ashton Smith first (it's a sort of tribute).

Then I was going to start with Empire Of Fear (his most popular book) and Young Blood, but they're quite long and I've been getting plenty of vampires recently.

But right now I'm decided on Cassandra Complex (the start of a bio-tech series that was published out of order, but can seemingly be read in any order) and his anthology Scientific Romance (pre-pulp writers from france, usa and uk). Maybe then some of his Maurice Renard, Jean Lorrain and Jacques Spitz translations.

Walking Shadow was chosen by Pringle for 100 Best Novels and Cassandra Complex was in Di Filippo/Broderick's 101 Best Novels.

I found these two overviews extremely helpful.
http://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/stableford_brian_m
http://sf-encyclopedia.uk/fe.php?nm=stableford_brian_m

Are those two (noticeably? completely?) different?

I thought so. Second is much shorter.

First one's his SF, second one's his fantasy work.

Much more colorful and appealing track record than expected, Robert! I've read a few things, incl. a whole novel, that I can't remember the titles of, only left with faint impression of work way too reined in: maybe he was overcompensating for vampire/werewolf etc.? The Scientific Romance anth def up my alley, will check for that, thanks.

There's also this one coming next month that looks really cool.
https://blackcoatpress.com/forthcoming-weird-fiction-in-france.html

And this which really exemplifies what I said about his delving into forgotten trends
https://blackcoatpress.com/fiction-tales-of-enchantment-and-disenchantment.html
He's written fanfiction about some of these writers and their creations.

Awes---although will have to think about digesting 38 fay stories in one slab---but that other anth---!

https://thebedlamfiles.com/fiction/aniara/

Sounds interesting

https://www.abc-clio.com/Praeger/product.aspx?pc=A5676C
http://www.nerds-feather.com/2020/02/interview-jess-nevins-author-of-horror.html

This should be impressive. His previous books are very highly praised and extensive.

There was an opera of Aniara composed by Karl Blomdahl, it’s really cool actually. Some bits got used in 2001 iirc.

Nevins is a good 'un, loved his LOEG annotations.

I am reading Foundation and good Lord the writing is abysmal.

Yeah I tried awhile ago and just couldnt

He makes Andy Weir read like Faulkner!

^Brutal

I tried This Is How You Lose The Time War, it was not to my taste. The prose was too precious and there was no forward momentum.

mentioned on the other general reading thread but adding here cuz why not - M. John Harrison's latest short story collection, "You Should Come With Me Now" is quite good. Looks like some of the shorter pieces were posted on his blog, but large majority of it is unfamiliar to me. Stylistically diverse, occasionally dense and/or elliptical, much of it in that peculiar liminal space he specializes in that is both very British and somewhere between horror, sf, and idk magical realism... or something? Good stuff.

some of it is very Ballardian

A recent plot summary of Gibson's new Agency lured me, although I'm not a fan. Also cautiously sniffing around this (March 31 trade pb/ebook), as linked from tor newsletter:
(Alex Irvine's) Anthropocene Rag is "a rare distillation of nanotech, apocalypse, and mythic Americana into a heady psychedelic brew."—Nebula and World Fantasy award-winning author Jeffrey Ford

In the future United States, our own history has faded into myth and traveling across the country means navigating wastelands and ever-changing landscapes.

The country teems with monsters and artificial intelligences try to unpack their own becoming by recreating myths and legends of their human creators. Prospector Ed, an emergent AI who wants to understand the people who made him, assembles a ragtag team to reach the mythical Monument City.
Also:
WEEK ONE (March 3)
Docile—K.M. Szpara (Tor.com Publishing)

To be a Docile is to be kept, body and soul, for the uses of the owner of your contract. To be a Docile is to forget, to disappear, to hide inside your body from the horrors of your service. To be a Docile is to sell yourself to pay your parents’ debts and buy your children’s future. Elisha Wilder’s family has been ruined by debt, handed down to them from previous generations. His mother never recovered from the Dociline she took during her term as a Docile, so when Elisha decides to try and erase the family’s debt himself, he swears he will never take the drug that took his mother from him. Too bad his contract has been purchased by Alexander Bishop III, whose ultra-rich family is the brains (and money) behind Dociline and the entire Office of Debt Resolution. When Elisha refuses Dociline, Alex refuses to believe that his family’s crowning achievement could have any negative side effects—and is determined to turn Elisha into the perfect Docile without it.
Some of these other plot presentations (pretty detailed for "summaries") tend to make my eyes hurt, but these eyes is old (not sorry_:
https://www.tor.com/2020/02/25/all-the-new-science-fiction-books-arriving-in-march/

Description of new M. John v appealing also, have only read him in occasional anth.

currently reading The Weapon Shops Of Isher, because i hate myself.

you can tell it's the 7000s because they don't have mirrors, they have energy mirrors. They also have a machine called "the Pp machine".

haha Van Vogt's appeal eludes me, what I have read of his has been v frustrating

like Dow, Gibson doesn't really appeal to me much anymore, surprised at his relatively loyal ILX fanbase

i recently reread neuromancer and count zero and they are still really, really good, good enough that i'm planning to keep going. the recent LRB piece made a strong case for gibson as Major Author

that said the 50 pages of the peripheral i read were kinda bad

i really liked 'this is how you lose the time war' but yes it is precious

Gibson's 80s work was seminal and massively influential and yet I viscerally hated both the concept and execution of Virtual Light and Idoru so much that I've never given him another change.

the last time I cracked open Neuromancer, which was a few months ago, it just felt kinda corny but I think it's just acquired a lot of baggage for me over the years. Prefer Sterling at this point tbh (even though he burned out in the 90s too imo)

Sterling! Always look fwd to his anthologized stories (the only way I've read them) because never know of his kneejerk "punk" attitude is going to come on and remain all glib and half-assed hipster---or if his artful alternate voice will (just in time) slip on through to the other side, to leave me hanging and filling in the gaps, with a buzz that lasts awhile. Kind of his own worst enemy, but it kind of works for him--storywise, anyway. The only longer work I've read is the one about the old people dominating culter, --b-but they're all disgustingly rich; what about the rest of us, eh? Oh well maybe tongue-in-cheek, but didn't hold my interest.
So damn old I remember getting a buzz from WG's "New Rose Hotel" in Omni, but some others seemed instantly dated, and think it was Count Zero, as serialized in Asimov's, where he really seemed to be folding in elements of smoggy 70s made-for-TV "movies, " which put me off: in the tradition of clunky and clinical SF idea-mongers, but grubbier----that may all be wrong, but that's where I stopped. But this new one, h'mmm.

Sterling's range of ideas is broader than Gibson's imo, and some of his best short fiction has left an indelible mark on my psyche, particularly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarm_(novelette) and "The Moral Bullet"