going to revel in a teeny bit of schadenfreude tonight, just because i think we all deserve it after three years of this
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 3 February 2020 16:30 (four years ago) link
legit excited and nervous and i live on the other side of the atlantic
good luck usa for reals
― the main character Cooly and his fart attack (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:33 (four years ago) link
This will ultimately affect the UK and, well, Canada and the rest of the world so it's impossible to feign indifference, alas.
― toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link
Good luck, US
― Frederik B, Monday, 3 February 2020 16:35 (four years ago) link
yeah bernie doing well could have a tremendous effect on the canadian left imo
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link
Why are people so obsessed with 1972?? Like, you guys lost an election. Not an infrequent occurrence. (Also, dude wasn't from Utah, was he?)
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:38 (four years ago) link
I saw a Bernie sticker on a janitor's cart at the Montreal airport last year!
― babu frik fan account (mh), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:38 (four years ago) link
surprised Jack White is a Berniebro tbh, suspected him of being a secret conservative
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:39 (four years ago) link
― babu frik fan account (mh),
you said don't look backyou can never look back
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:40 (four years ago) link
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), 3. februar 2020 17:38 (twenty-three seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
Well, yeah, but 1972 is the second biggest landslide in modern history, so it makes perfect sense to worry about repeating that mistake! The only time Dems got beaten as bad was in 84, when they nominated a former vice president who didn't inspire anyone, and... Hm...
― Frederik B, Monday, 3 February 2020 16:41 (four years ago) link
mcgovern wasn't even notably left except on the war, correct?
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:44 (four years ago) link
it makes sense to use less ahistorical analogies. In this country, Dems are obsessed with 1972 and marginalizing Jimmy Carter.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:44 (four years ago) link
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.),
From what I've read Humphrey in '68 (hell, maybe Humphrey in '72) was more liberal, plus had the support of the classic New Deal coalition machine.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:45 (four years ago) link
That's what I mean. That one loss 48 years ago doesn't prove very much about the viability of nominating a leftist candidate, given the number of factors involved and the fact that they have lost badly with moderate candidates as well. 3xp
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:46 (four years ago) link
McGovern’s candidacy was partly sold on the prospect of expanding the base and turning out the youth vote. The voting age had just been lowered to 18 in ‘71 and people thought it would be a game changer.
― o. nate, Monday, 3 February 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link
To discuss why McGovern lost and ignore the extent to which CREEP/Nixon ratfucked his candidacy from the start plus the masterful job Nixon had done stirring racial and anti-youth animus is to own a photo of Chris Matthews and aspire to his dumb fucking conventional wisdom.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2685064758250589&set=a.126190480804709&type=3&theater
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Monday, 3 February 2020 16:54 (four years ago) link
Also, landslides don't happen anymore.
― jaymc, Monday, 3 February 2020 16:57 (four years ago) link
Trump is also Nixonian or at least aspires to be. McGovern was a straight shooter whereas Nixon was known as Tricky Dicky from the beginning of his long political career.
― o. nate, Monday, 3 February 2020 16:59 (four years ago) link
didn't a bunch of the mcgovern team end up in the clinton machine?
(just looked up pat caddell and he p much ended up on the trump team, also i hadn't spotted he died a year ago)
― mark s, Monday, 3 February 2020 17:02 (four years ago) link
Namely, the Clintons. It's called getting old and corrupt.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 February 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link
haven't watched enough of THE IRISHMAN (2019) to discover if it explores how the union vote was deployed against mcgovern's "straight shooter" vibe: mcgovern inherited all the starry-eyed youngsters who thought RFK was purely a good guy in the kennedy-hoffa feud :\
tactically and strategically this was a bad thing to think: whatever their other virtues, dems after mcgovern were all busily anti-union
― mark s, Monday, 3 February 2020 17:08 (four years ago) link
https://secure.everyaction.com/bdRKKaoH4EW3xw0KME-HVg2
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 3 February 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link
Another McGovern parallel: he proposed an early form of UBI, a thousand dollars annually paid to every American citizen. Not sure what that works out to in 2020 dollars.
― o. nate, Monday, 3 February 2020 17:44 (four years ago) link
Twenty million dollars iirc
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 3 February 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
Yang should propose to give Americans 12 thousand dollars and then send them far enough back in time that they can live like kings off it for a year
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 3 February 2020 17:55 (four years ago) link
Bernie Sanders, say it back— tuunbaq for what (@BespokeHoover) February 3, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 3 February 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
dersan neeber
― toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Monday, 3 February 2020 17:58 (four years ago) link
This has the added bonus of ridding us of the Yang Gang. Win-win imo
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 3 February 2020 17:59 (four years ago) link
Briny Sundress
― Miami weisse (WmC), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:06 (four years ago) link
what time do the results start pourin in
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
right after the corn is husked
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:14 (four years ago) link
Bernie wins the first caucus in the state.
Bernie Sanders wins the first votes of the primary — including Ethiopian immigrants who work the night shift at the local pork processing plant — in a county that went for Obama twice & flipped to Trump in 2016.We’re gonna win. This is how. #NotMeUshttps://t.co/oVkS4g8otF https://t.co/re8oLsXC2W— very cool and popular girl (@no_talent_shan) February 3, 2020
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 3 February 2020 18:43 (four years ago) link
kinda lol but mostly etc
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:45 (four years ago) link
Why lol? The working class is banding together to create a more humane country
― treeship., Monday, 3 February 2020 18:51 (four years ago) link
morbs perrin must not tweet about farming much
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:52 (four years ago) link
Going into tonight, a reminder to everyone that polls show a very close racefeel like bernie folks like me might letting themselves get too dizzy-confidentin almost any given poll each of Sanders, Biden, Buttigieg (!) and often Warren are within the margin of error to winthere are 3 legit ways to count the results, so someone other than Sanders is likely to win some if not all
also however, from montreal:go bernie
― sean gramophone, Monday, 3 February 2020 18:52 (four years ago) link
re results/timing, from NYT:
The Iowa presidential caucuses begin at 8 p.m. Eastern time at more than 1,600 sites across the state. The caucuses vary in length; small gatherings can be over in minutes, larger ones can last up to two hours.The first results are expected at 8:30 p.m. Eastern time, with most results in hand by 11 p.m.
The first results are expected at 8:30 p.m. Eastern time, with most results in hand by 11 p.m.
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 3 February 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
dropping into this thread i don't post in anymore to say: go bernie
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
Done. pic.twitter.com/o8B87P2wDB— Riley (@TheRileyWilson) February 3, 2020
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:56 (four years ago) link
sorry, treesh, but the working class is as polarized as the rest of the country. that's where the majority of the anti-immigrant sentiment is coming from. the bosses aren't anti-immigrant, but they are happy to ride that pony, if it gets their stooges into places of power and working for them.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:56 (four years ago) link
Treesh the lol is from the pathos of one person standing in a group by themself
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
we've got a plan for... you to stand in the corner alone
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
lol morbs
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 3 February 2020 18:59 (four years ago) link
can't wait for bernie to win one of our least democratic primary institutions by a couple of delegates tonight and thereby validate the international left most of whom appear to be on this thread
― Mordy, Monday, 3 February 2020 18:59 (four years ago) link
I think it’s cool she stuck up for Warren. Also go Bernie
― uncrut gems (crüt), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:59 (four years ago) link
Have the Tbilisi results come in yet?
― jaymc, Monday, 3 February 2020 19:01 (four years ago) link
Oh, I guess they're holding out.
The Tbilisi caucus was conducted successfully, over a traditional Iowan meal of pizza and ranch dressing – accompanied by Georgian wine. The results will be reported along with the rest of the results after the caucuses in Iowa take place. pic.twitter.com/SraYlfxAUq— Joshua Kucera (@joshuakucera) February 3, 2020
― jaymc, Monday, 3 February 2020 19:02 (four years ago) link
lol Mordy, we didn't make the rules broheem
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 February 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link
enjoying this verse of 'i didn't ask to come' by giddy morbs
― zuck zuck lucify (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 3 February 2020 19:14 (four years ago) link