END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

bernie will have won

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— da share z0ne (@dasharez0ne) February 3, 2020

gamechanger imo

https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/iowa-caucus-2020-election-live/254963/

A tweet made the rounds that night purporting to give the poll’s results, and after doing some reporting around this, FiveThirtyEight can confirm that it contains the correct final findings of the unreleased Iowa poll: Sanders 22 percent, Warren 18 percent, Buttigieg 16 percent, Biden 13 percent. Imagine the news cycle that would have been, with national front-runner Biden making such a poor showing in the last, highest-profile poll before the caucuses.

you literally would have loved to have seen it

I am at the caucus holding a sign up and I am STILL GETTING CALLS ON MY PHONE

campaigns, call off the dogs! the doors close in four minutes!

Bernie Sanders

sorry for tweet embed it's just too good imo

Of course it’s in the Klobuchar line https://t.co/6ewYPea7mW

— brutalism apologist (@brutapologist) February 4, 2020

know it's just iowa but i'm gonna be biting my nails refreshing shit over and over for the next 2 hours

this must be what life's been like for people who take the impeachment seriously

dude I am IN THE ROOM

ahhhhh

it was you who spilled the wine wasn't it

Get in the fucking pit https://t.co/h8FtLfRilz

— 💀 kill 💀 tim 💀 faust 💀 (@crulge) February 3, 2020

mh we are with you let's goo

nice

Is it cool to post YouTubes for lols or is that like uncouth these days because I'd like to post Ben Harper's "Burn One Down"

u can do what u like in the bernard thread

its all happening

https://youtu.be/7nXH_6o-X7U

Disaster. You get the idea!

https://imgur.com/a/tiBIUgs

Burn MSNBC to the ground IMO

https://i.imgur.com/IWAFzp6.png

lol i saw nina was trending on twitter and loads of people were furious at her

bloomberg branding himself as an anti-trump superhero seems to be working on people who know nothing else about him

else about him

Bernie is always already having won

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/molly-crabapple-sanders-iowa/

https://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Scan004-img.jpg

If Sanders does succeed in getting the nomination and his message remains what it has always been since 2016, then the general election will come down to how sick people are of the status quo vs. how frightened people are of the idea of radical change. In the aftermath of 2016, all the punditry said Trump won because people were sick of the status quo. I think 2020 may test that idea very severely.

People i’ve spoken to who are of a boomer, millionaire persuasion are worried about Bernie hurting their bottom line via higher taxes and a stagnant stock market. I feel like another 2008 level crash would be the real threat here, and a Sanders administration would aim for a less volatile economy. Not sure I’m right though.

Good they should be worried

^^^

also, stop listening to these people, who cares what they think, take it all

At the end of the day, I think we need a more equitable society, a reined in military, and a bold plan to stop climate change so I’m with Bernie. But idk—I am also not sure Bernie really does pose a threat to your average retired doctor or lawyer or whatever

Like how much would taxes actually go up

900%

tell them Sanders has personally promised that you get to set all their money on fire

I mean those ppl should generally worry about their prosperity being tied to a system that reliably manufactures major economic crises every couple of decades.

Another point—some of these folks are more afraid of warren.

also good

Warren represents the Traitor to Her Own Class whom the rich in FDR's time also feared.

I feel like Warren is deeply misunderstood by a lot of bernie voters and it kind of bums me out. I’m happy bernie is rising, but she’s been a truly great, brave and principled senator, but left twitter sees her as a milquetoast careerist. Rich people, however, seem to know what’s up and fear her.

she’s more wonkish and speaks in those terms as opposed to a concrete goal

she has lots of plans! all my wonk friends prefer her. I think presenting complete road maps as a strategy is less effective than a stated goal and a willingness to hash it out. not to mention detailed plans make you more likely to end up in over-compromising as you concentrate more on the integrity of your plan than the actual goal

Bottom line, I just do not believe that Warren would give socialists a seat at the table.

Warren understands taxation and the financial system at a deep level. General ignorance of that system has always been the sword and shield of the ultra wealthy, who gladly hire the best talent they can afford to manipulate those systems for their continuing profit. Bernie has a gut level mistrust of the wealthy, but would be more at the mercy of his advisors than Warren would be.

On the whole, I'd say Warren's greatest weakness is not where her heart is, or a lack of good ideas, or the courage to pursue them, but that she doesn't communicate her ideas and their connection to ordinary voters as well as Sanders does. She tries her best, but he is better at it. In terms of "electability", this puts Sanders ahead of her. He also would use the "bully pulpit" more effectively. As far as getting results out of Congress, that depends on factors well outside of the scope of the presidential primaries.

Like how much would taxes actually go up

I haven't done the math but taxes on millionaire professionals would probably rise somewhat significantly, I would think? I don't see how you could tackle inequality without also taking away from those who have more.

*cough*

While the very wealthiest taxpayers are hiding roughly 25 percent of their income, the study finds that those in the bottom 99 percent of the wealth distribution avoid taxes on less than 5 percent of their income as a group. If the same pattern holds in the United States, then the well-documented finding that the best off 1 percent of Americans hold 40 percent of all wealth is likely a low-ball number, because of the huge amounts of income-generating assets that many of them are hiding from tax authorities.

https://itep.org/file-under-no-surprise-wealthiest-taxpayers-use-offshore-tax-shelters-more-than-the-rest-of-us-new-research-finds/

also, CUT THE MILITARY BUDGET

Yeah exactly. I don’t think you need to go that hard after the moderately affluent to strongly reorient our system. The billionaires however

Just as an FYI, Bernie's people planned for this and developed their own app for logging results. Assuming the precinct captains are inputting information, Bernie's camp should have accurate numbers even if no one else does. https://t.co/OkeXQr2tI4

— Zach Hammer (@zachhammer) February 4, 2020

:)

What a clusterfuck.

I have no idea if election ill will would change it, but the chances of Sanders appointing Warren as one of those advisors is really high! Treasury secretary was the rumor.

"I worked hard as a bond trader so that I could live out my dream of being stupid filthy rich, to the point where I could treat a hundred thou as nothing but a joke, but now I'm only kinda rich and I have to watch carefully where I spend my little thousands every week. It's so fucking UNFAIR! Shit. I made out like a bandit as part of a legitimate business career and now those crooks in D.C. want to take it all away!"

Jesus Christ.

Abt the app.