END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

Kool Bro

I’m canvassing @BernieSanders tomorrow! This is it !! California is so important. This is way out of my comfort zone ! Please pitch in and help get the vote out for Bernie! pic.twitter.com/AVAnLKQIr8

— Kim Gordon (@KimletGordon) February 8, 2020

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'Cross the Bern

Socialist Youth

Thurston Moore is probably a Petehead.

C’mon now.

https://www.joyfulnoiserecordings.com/collections/thurston-moore-bernie-sanders?fbclid=IwAR2x08O9xME4Eyrg1mwKp47Uby2JNeS82rO3laoKbA6jrGeATZjfz_IiWkM

just jokez, that's not really a surprise

Thurston Moore is probably a Petehead.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 9 February 2020 17:13 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

doesn't thurston live in stoke newington and canvass for corbyn?

He likes in Stoke Newington, but I never heard he did a canvass.

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— madeleine 🍞📈🐀 (@apostlebrawl) February 9, 2020

oof, big fuckin’ mood bernie

Curious thing about people who are so offended by vile loudmouthed and uncouth bernie supporters is they always seem to be doing pretty well for themselves.

― i am a horse girl (map), Saturday, February 8, 2020 1:44 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

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Senator @ninaturner just Berned down the MSNBC studio pic.twitter.com/bbkvkd2I46

— Samuel D. Finkelstein II (@CANCEL_SAM) February 10, 2020

msnbc anchor literally just told a black woman named Nina to go slow

god damn!

blessed #content

and more!

Wish grantedhttps://t.co/Ke41Pt9BxJ

— Samuel D. Finkelstein II (@CANCEL_SAM) February 10, 2020

Serious Q: what do you guys go to when you either feel nagging doubt about Bernie in the general or need to convince someone that Bernie can win in the general? What are the best evidence-based arguments?

No one actually knows

- most donors / highest fundraising (excepting the self-funding billionaires)
- high favorability ratings / low negatives (incl among other candidates' bases)
- consistently climbing polling numbers, including nationally
- undeniable sex appeal

but yeah we're all just guessing hopefully

There's this:

"Bernie Sanders leads Donald Trump in polls, even when you remind people he's a socialist"
https://www.vox.com/2020/1/31/21113780/bernie-sanders-socialism-electability-primaries

It is easy to make arguments regarding the future. Fun, too. But arguments about something as volatile as the 2020 presidential election already is and will most likely continue to be are no better than wild guesses, whether they are evidence-based or just gut-feeling-based.

Even better: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/7/21128979/bernie-sanders-won-democratic-debate

Thanks guys

the best evidence that someone can win election to an office is incumbency, or barring that, having won election to a lower office. an insistence on anything else is not asking for 'evidence', it's concealed or obscurantist politics

Sanders polls well with the voters Dems lost last time. I think he'll win!!!

America’s health care system is bizarrely terrible, providing less coverage at greater cost than what we see in comparable countries. This is not an adequate basis for actually enacting Medicare-for-all

It's not?

I was rolling my eyes at a Hillary Clinton comment that Sanders is promising to "deliver the moon" on medicare for all when Biden's cancer initiative has been described as a "moonshot" and she's used her own efforts toward advancing Alzheimer's treatments. Curing diseases is somehow a worthy goal, but treating all the people we have with existing treatments is unfeasible? And is everyone going to have access to the treatments.. how, exactly, without dependable universal healthcare?

Could have sworn there was a well-regarded democrat that promised to deliver the actual moon as president. What's the public perception of that guy? Whatever happened to... I guess maybe I won't ask what happened to him

(That's a quote from the Yglesias article btw.)

xp

obviously the moon is a key player in healthcare

FWIW, this tool is also useful: https://www.270towin.com/ -- it starts at the "consensus" and the map already looks pretty strong for any Dem. I think Bernie is likely to win all of the "light blue" states. Out of the tossup states I think he's a very good candidate to win Wisconsin and high urban and youth turnout could win him PA where Hillary narrowly lost. I don't know if he can win Florida or NC but he won't need them if he wins Wisconsin and PA. No idea on Arizona.

please dont be mad not trollin' but I saw this and was alarmed

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sand doesn't burn, don't see the need for concern

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sand doesn't burn, but in the desert the sand burns you!

Rename thread the audacity of hope

Serious Q: what do you guys go to when you either feel nagging doubt about Bernie in the general or need to convince someone that Bernie can win in the general? What are the best evidence-based arguments?

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, February 10, 2020 2:47 PM (two hours ago)

so I try to avoid this thread both because I do not particularly like bernie sanders but here's my argument for why you shouldn't have so much nagging doubt about bernie in particular: all of the remaining candidates are weak and we will probably lose the election. if we win, it's going to be due to trump not due to a strong candidate on our side.

pretending like running someone like sanders isn't a shot in the dark is silly. there's not good historical precedent for a national candidate with his politics, the moderate dem voter base has to fully embrace him and we need turnout numbers that aren't well supported by iowa. but warren requires all of that too + she doesn't have the brooklyn suicide cult and she's a woman, so it's hard to argue that she's a safer choice even if I think she's more capable of having a successful presidency.

biden and buttigieg are just...bad candidates. bloomberg is a huge shot in the dark in another direction. maybe there will be some coming wave of buttigieg popularity, maybe warren will pick up steam among the dem base, but until one of these things happens it's hard to claim that there's a safe pick anywhere in the field right now.

Harris should re-enter the race lol

xp so what you're saying is Bernie is the best candidate

it's more like in terms of viability and uniting the party he's just as bad as all the other options

There's no BAD precedent for someone with his politics running nationally either :)

right, anything could happen, maybe this time we'll get to do some fun science experiments. it seems like poor timing for doing fun science experiments, but I can't blame thebros for the rest of the party not agreeing on a better alternative than buttigieg.

I schlepped up to a hilly corner of NH today where Bernie spoke at Franklin Pierce University. One thing I will say is that he appears to have very good circulation.

i would like to finally have this referendum

Here’s the Bernie/AOC/Strokes rally in NH tonight. Senator Nina Turner currently tearing shit up:

https://youtu.be/lRfrtfaVqWs

webinar-ing in 80 minutes for textbanking let's go https://berniesanders.com/en/text/webinars/