END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

Depends what proportion of Biden's support is 'whoever looks like winning' and what proportion of Warren's support is vaguely 'progressive'. Pretty open to interpretation!

xpost we'll see. it's still very early, and a lot depends on how long pete/klob/biden/bloomberg keep splitting votes, and how consistently those splits break down from primary to primary.

I keep going back to the latest Quinnipiac poll.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQi5wnnXUAIVEt5?format=jpg&name=medium

2nd choice for Biden supporters: Bloomberg 21, Sanders 19, Buttigieg 17, Warren 13, Klobuchar 10
2nd choice for Warren supporters: Sanders 33, Buttigieg 25, Biden 8, Klobuchar 7

If both Biden and Warren dropped out tomorrow, it seems like Sanders would be in the best position to benefit?

But I don't think either of them is going to drop out tomorrow. What's unpredictable is whether voters stick with them or begin to look elsewhere.

Two good articles today on media bias against Bernie:

Alex Shepard: https://newrepublic.com/article/156545/bernie-sanders-msnbc-problem

Margaret Sullivan: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-media-keep-falling-in-love--with-anybody-but-bernie-sanders/2020/02/12/0f55cc12-4d9c-11ea-bf44-f5043eb3918a_story.html

Pretty open to interpretation!

That's why some polls inquire about voters' second choice. But even that is subject to revisions as campaigns progress and voters shift themselves about. It's not worth trying to interpret this stuff in advance. It does make sense to contribute time and/or money to one's first choice now, because campaigns are fluid and they run on a mixture of money and volunteers, so that waiting to participate can only reduce the odds that your first choice will prevail.

If Dems go on to nominate Sanders, the Russians will have to reconsider who to work for to best screw up the US. Sanders is just as polarizing as Trump AND he’ll ruin our economy and doesn’t care about our military. If I’m Russian, I go with Sanders this time around.

— Lloyd Blankfein (@lloydblankfein) February 12, 2020

this should be a Bernie flyer

i mean, Lloyd knows about ruining the economy

the responses to that tweet w pictures of Llyod & Ghislane Maxwell are why sometimes the internet is good.

Been thinking a lot about this tweet:

No one is above criticism but 30 minutes of listening to the bad faith elite criticisms of Bernie Sanders is enough to radicalize any ordinary person.

— Murtaza M. Hussain (@MazMHussain) February 8, 2020

what happens to warren's delegates when she drops out?

https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_delegate_rules,_2020#What_happens_to_delegates_allocated_to_candidates_who_withdraw.3F

what happens to warren's delegates when she drops out?

Generally speaking, delegates arrive to the convention pledged to vote for a particular candidate on at least the first ballot, unless or until that candidate releases them from their obligation. The delegates themselves are usually people loyal to the candidate they were pledged to, often being local politicians or large donors. When a candidate 'drops out' they usually say they are 'suspending' their campaign and retain their delegates, if any, up until the convention or just before it.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-leads-all-democratic-candidates-support-non-white-voters-new-polls-show-14868077

https://i.redd.it/3fw6epyi4ig41.jpg

Klobbuchar!

xxp -- who the fuck are the 20% of sanders voters whose second choice is joe biden

(unless I'm reading the chart backward, in which case, who the fuck are the 19% of sanders voters whose second choice is biden?)

xxp -- who the fuck are the 20% of sanders voters whose second choice is joe biden

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, February 12, 2020 7:18 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

old ppl? name recognition ppl?

most people don't pay attention and vote for whatever weird vibe reasons

right, bernie gives good vibes, he is def the the vibes candidate #notmeVIBES

i really don't get the fear some people have of bernie. chris matthews the other day said he thought bernie would hang him publicly in central park or something. do people like their money this much?

yes

can't honestly say if money is the primary reason someone would want to hang matthews in central park

i'm not even sure they'd lose money in the end. maybe the 1% of the 1%. but investing in education and healthcare and energy infrastructure would mean a healthier economy, more returns on investments. he's not talking about disrupting the capitalist paradigm but improving it

So an anonymous bloc of Democratic Party donors is launching a PAC specifically designed to stop Bernie Sanders and saying it won’t release its funding sources because Sanders supporters are too mean online? Looks like the establishment has officially entered full freakout mode. pic.twitter.com/oIgKlsETOb

— Miles Kampf-Lassin (@MilesKLassin) February 12, 2020

which one of bernie's policies are they most afraid of?

incivility

pretty cool to know that kryptonite for billionaires is being owned online.

jfc if that were the ONLY reason to redistribute their shit it would be good enough.

if his program passed as it is described, it would cause massive disruptions in the US economy, which would essentially be restructured--i guess. healthcare and fossil fuels especially would be hit and people would need to find new ways to make money. perhaps also the military. but 1.) sooner or later, these destructive industries are going to have to be reigned in and 2.) he will inevitably need to compromise these positions, and what will end up happening is reform. (reform with teeth hopefully but still)

it just seems like they're overreacting. he is popular enough that, with some institutional backing, he would be a very strong candidate against trump. but instead there is this fearmongering--it goes way beyond people arguing that his plans wouldn't work out as well as he thinks

do people like their money this much?

As near as I can tell, money activates almost all the same responses in the majority of people as any other addictive substance, and like other addicts who become morally unreliable over any perceived threat to their addiction, people who have become to addicted to money will do everything they know how to do to protect their access to whatever feeds their addiction.

The old saying is often misquoted and therefore often misunderstood; correctly stated it goes "the love of money is the root of all evil". That 'love of money' refers to what I am calling an addiction to it. An alternative and oppositional old saying, which you almost never hear at all, is "enough is as good as a feast".

otmfm

money is power

power corrupts

other addicts who become morally unreliable over any perceived threat to their addiction

The allure of having too much is enhanced by being contrasted against having nothing. If everyone has access to "enough," the impetus to have too much should be reduced.

We should explore this theory, out of concern for the mental health and emotional condition of the 1%.

it just seems like they're overreacting

performative, pre-emptive overreaction in order to influence yr opposition's plan is - ive seen the figures, i cannot give away my source- 93.3% of all american political activity

its called "hurt-you signalling" in the industry, i cant give away my sourced

Figures sound legit

look i really im sorry i cant you understand i shouldnt even wait did you hear that what was that i have to go

Not do Berners

Iowa was also great turnout for Trump, and well organized. People need to start taking it seriously. https://t.co/iu6WWfc8EU

— mugrimm (@mugrimm) February 12, 2020

I probably should be able to figure this out for myself being a lawyer and all, but at what point did it become fine for political donations to become anonymous? I don't think that was a holding of Citizens United?

xpost something tells me a president who mostly does rallies is more effective in getting groups of his zombies to gather together and shout for him

yeah those numbers are meaningless, the guy's entire presidency is a rally

"a stunner"

sdmh, this is a stunner chris stigall u heathen

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I don't know, seems like an indicator he'll be as good at maximizing Republican turnout as feared.

we knew this

I don't know, seems like an indicator he'll be as good at maximizing Republican turnout as feared.

― Chris L, Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:18 AM

yet we still won in 2018

https://newrepublic.com/amp/article/156411/end-gop

Hoping a Sanders presidency can embolden the kinds of actions described in the latter stages of this piece (it's certainly what I thought Corbyn as PM could've done).

xp Yeah it's not a surprise, it's just a stark reminder how important it is the Dem party elite not make any unforced errors that will depress turnout among the base.

how important it is the Dem party elite not make any unforced errors

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