END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

i always want to scream at the tv that he has the amount you responsible savings ppl want someone to have saved at his age and you are still mad. it's like when they posted pictures of AOC's mom's house.

i say the tv but i mean twitter

yeah, i mentioned in the other thread that if you are a 70something year old that has worked steadily throughout a booming time, it would actually be a very bad look if you did not have assets worth a million.

and part of it is inheritance, and not his!

tbh the middle/upper-middle class of the upper midwest having a lake house thing isn't as common these days, but I have a couple coworkers with parents/in-laws who have that situation. the lake house property is worth less than the Sanders Vermont one, but you could completely chalk that up to the fact midwest property costs a lot less. Vermont... sparse but less sparse and definitely more expensive

yeah, i have some maine friends that all talk about going to camp/their parents' lakehouse. Having multiple homes is such a common thing for that demo.

He’s living large like a retired cop

they're less prissy about it in some areas. I remember an episode of one of Anthony Bourdain's shows where they went to Maine, and visited a cabin up in the woods that his cinematographer's (?) dad had, and it was a pretty nice shack that he'd built himself by hauling materials up the stream

occasionally you can get the Vermont/New Hampshire/Maine people to reveal their judgments of the other neighboring states and it's pretty funny

Friends of ours whose parents were teachers had a lake house in P.A. It cost them $50,000

xxp ugh that reminds me of the entire retired cop from California demographic that moves to Wyoming/Idaho and.. they're an entirely different thing

Not to mention that it is a completely irrelevant criticism, made solely because any half-ass negative criticism they can throw at him (or at any candidate, when you get down to it) will have some effect. The important thing is to keep up a constant negative drumbeat, no matter how little substance there is in it. It erodes support, so that's how the game is played.

i think it's good for people who are already financially secure to be pushing for more safety nets that benefit others. I have two homes, no kids, no debts but I too want EVERYTHING TO BE FREE FOR EVERYONE.

like seriously, people who would directly benefit from or who are already ridiculously rich who don't endorse affordable healthcare and education are bonkers to me.

yet again you flex in my direction

did we ever post the BERNO story to this thread because I love it

posting it, possibly again, because lol

People who knew Sanders when he was in his thirties tend to share stories about how broke and frugal he was. Rader told me that when Sanders first bought land in Vermont, and was still living part time in New York, he sometimes camped out in the new property’s only shelter: a maple-sugar shack. He had devised his own equivalent of Sterno, which his friends dubbed Berno. “It was a roll of toilet paper soaked in lighter fluid inside a coffee can,” Rader said. “He’d cook over that.”

My observation is that people who've lived a fair number of years with "the wolf at the door", who then rise to a position of comfort, power and status seem either to become fierce advocates for the poor, understanding how little they are responsible for their own poverty, or else hugely resentful, even fearful, of any effort to aid the poor that takes one dollar out of their own pocket. They rarely turn out to be mushy moderates, of the sort who vacillate between sentimental desires to 'lend a hand to the unfortunate' and fretting that they may not be able to afford that [insert middle class aspirational luxury here] if society really tries anything that radically alters the status quo.

Both Sanders and Warren, of the remaining candidates, feel to me like they fit the fierce advocate mold. Buttigeig and Klobuchar find their natural affinity among the sentimentalists who will shy away the moment things get too real.

otoh, Biden did taste the dregs of poverty for a short time early in life, but not strongly enough to overcome his swift rise into the Senate, so that his more than four decades of rock-solid wealth and privilege has attenuated his instincts down to anecdotes he's told thousands of times, but he no longer feels the raw truth of. His feel for poverty has transformed into a weak, faded ghost of a feeling that has no power left to move him.

yeah, having money is completely luck, frugality over an extended period of and/or parents or frat brothers hooking you up.

A new poll out of Massachusetts: Sanders and Warren are, respectively, both necks.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/484047-new-mass-poll-sanders-warren-are-neck-and-neck

My ballot for mr Sanders is in the outgoing mail

NEW: ⁦@CNN⁩ Chief Medical Correspondent ⁦@drsanjaygupta⁩ weighs in on the information that ⁦@BernieSanders⁩ has released related to his health. pic.twitter.com/nOwOURO6SG

— Ryan Nobles (@ryanobles) February 19, 2020

can't believe sanjay gupta is a berniebro

strong like ox

keeping an open mind re: bernie’s medical records until this guy weighs in

https://i.insider.com/5ae8f94f19ee864e1c8b472c?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

AFAICT the ppl braying about his medical records are the same ones insisting there's "devastating oppo" still to be disclosed and that he remains "untested", imo proving you can survive the CIA's heart attack gun is the most important test of all

that guy was a really good minor character, would be fun to see him again in season 2

We were checking in at the Reno office this morning, and wouldn’t you know: an older volunteer came in with an acoustic guitar and serenaded us all with a song he’d been inspired to write about Bernie.

And that older volunteer?

Pete Seeger.

Goddammit why isn’t all this campaign lit bilingual

when u move the overton window
https://on.wsj.com/2vzhKM4?fbclid=IwAR03a5PpNaQYtspfWNNdzfHOyW03G7k3TduVK1XSi5XD2LnorLv8Hs1Ni8M

The Republican Case for Elizabeth Warren
She has independence and integrity and is no socialist. She just wants the market to work for everyone.

Moreover, we Republicans are pretty certain we can keep her from enacting that damned wealth tax our big donors hate so much, which will block many of her policies right there.

https://on.wsj.com/2vzhKM4

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Ha:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/f7q3av/this_is_probably_the_greatest_post_dick_van_dyke/

The collective meltdown of centrist journalists over a tepid Bernie tweet about the "Democratic establishment" is some real gross shit.

guys I don't know what kind of sap/naif I am or whether this morning I'm just completely exhausted with my own personal crises not to mention the greater hellstorm

or even if this is mostly affecting as a eulogy for hopes past but

When it comes to creating a nation that works for all of us, not just the 1%, we are all in this together.

Video by @rockyowens, @nowandben and @liarosemusic. pic.twitter.com/N5bmxpgzP6

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 22, 2020

I saw this and and got legit choked up

The collective meltdown of centrist journalists over a tepid Bernie tweet about the "Democratic establishment" is some real gross shit.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles),

As is the dumb posturing by Bernie guys on my FB wall when this tweet emerged. I'm not sure Sanders buys this shtick but he may yet get away with it, as many presidential candidates and presidents have done.

xp and fuck I realize that I really do WANT TO BELIEVE but it's so historically, almost invariably disappointing

and like I just need the smallest permission right now, the littlest bit of oxygen even for my own mental health, to get there with belief and stay there for a little while

https://hackernoon.com/hn-images/1*T8tGc8RTgUbbr8VB2ClNag.jpeg

Alfred, we've known the bros were Bernie or die from the beginning, but seeing the Josh Marshalls of the world coalesce around a Never Bernie position because he said the same thing about the party that he's said a million times before is something different.

time to put josh marshall on the list

slot him in for right after Chris Matthews

I haven't visited TPM in months. Is Marshall melting down?

Never mind -- I read the tweet lol

Basically every middle of the road commentator is taking to twitter to express in very serious terms how bad it is for Bernie to criticize the Democratic establishment, and how he won't be able to beat Trump now.

xps -- I have my moments of doubt for sure where I fear either that (1) Bernie will get the nom, lose to Trump, and it will set back any kind of left agenda another few decades (2) Bernie will win but be ineffective and unpopular, setting back any kind of left agenda for another few decades. However, reality has kind of forced my hand by providing NO REALISTIC ALTERNATIVE (i.e. no candidate better situated to win) so my cowardly ass is just going to have to stand up.

to a comment about Tom Perez

If he attacks our leader, he attacks us.

— PolitiTrek2 (@polititrek2) February 22, 2020

DEFEND TOM PEREZ AT ALL COSTS

Any candidate could lose to Trump or be ineffective.

xxp

SANDERS 2020: Your Cowardly Ass Is Just Going To Have To Stand Up

The perfect conditions for a progressive candidate will never happen in this godforsaken system, gotta shoot your shot.