END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

wapo's about to go beast mode this is just the beginning

Can we do a poll to determine what percentage of ILX (in 2019) really remembers the Cold War firsthand? Because I don’t - I was born in late 1982 and I literally have no memory of the Berlin Wall falling or the collapse of the Soviet Union. The first international news story I can recall, for some reason, was the capture of Manuel Noriega. I have absolutely no memory of the fall of the Berlin Wall (a month before Noriega’s capture) and the dissolution of the USSR (two full years later) - none.

11 years ago, but...

The ILX user age average Poll

It was definitely talked about in my Grade 6 class. Iirc, a kid who always sat quietly at the back of the room whispered "the wall is falling now but you will all live to one day see socialism come to America".

I was born in '81 but I was a giant nerd so I remember some of the '89-'90 Cold War stuff on TV and then I got hooked on news about the '91 Soviet coup and dissolution.

I was born in 79 and I vaguely remember the wall falling, "perestroika" etc. I also absorbed a lot through pop culture stuff like Spies Like Us

78 and I remember all of those things but I didn't feel the anxiety at all. You're a kid, you don't understand the stakes. Scorpions! Wind of Change!

I was also really into the movie White Nights because it was played on cable over and over and over.

I remember the wall falling but didnt understand it (I was 4/5 at the time). I remember also thinking that the Soviet union was a nautical state because I thought the hammer and sickle was an anchor and in the news and popular culture youd often see their submarines and battleships pictured

^ lock thread

I learned from seeing The Hunt For Red October with my dad that they had a way better national anthem.

I went to the Soviet Union in '88 when I was in high school.

I was born in ‘82 and I definitely remember the Berlin Wall coming down. I’m sure this is mostly due to being an army brat—we had lived in what was then West Germany just a few years before.

My dad has some interesting Cold War stories. He was stationed with NATO in Italy (where I was born) in the midst of the Nuclear Able Archer ‘83 exercise and the Soviet Nuclear False Alarm Incident. He also survived a Baader-Meinhof bombing in Germany during the mid-70s.

If the wall hadn't fallen in '89 chances are I'd still be stuck behind the Iron Curtain right now.

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MSNBC - 2/23/2020

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— J̶O̸N̶ (@Bern4Bern) February 23, 2020

I also went in high school as a sophmore, 1986

In Miami the Cold War never ended.

xp sophOmore

bg twitter video there saying a lot

The day the Berlin wall fell is the very first day I remember. I don't remember anything about the news, but it was my last day of daycare and we built a snowman. So that

Glasnost the Snowman

wow @ that video

Ottepel the Snowman

FTFY

Born in 1975, remember the Cold War, as such, but recall it loosely peaking with "The Day After" and never thought (or was made to think) anything of nuclear annihilation or the like beyond references in music and other movies. I remember the wall coming down and all the coverage, but in my mind it felt inevitable (propaganda worked?). My wife, on the other hand, grew up partly in West Germany and had experience with/in East Germany, Checkpoint Charlie, etc., so had slightly different experiences.

I'm sure Communist/Socialist still works as a demonic derogatory term in some circles and for some audiences, and maybe those terms should for those who experienced, say, the Soviet Union first hand and had to get out. But I suspect for a lot of people they're just vague meaningless derogatory words, like hippie or pothead or poopy-pants. I assume the term "socialist" will nonetheless be successfully weaponized, but I also assume that was going to happen no matter who gets the nomination. "Socialist" can also pretty be easily countered, but I wouldn't bet on the Dems doing that well. They're going to get caught up in the same defensive loop bullshit that kneecapped them last time.

I feel like most of the ppl for whom "socialist / commie" is a demonic derogatory term are already in Trump's main demo anyway (older, more affluent voters, mainly though not exclusively white). The challenge for the Sanders campaign will be fighting the perception that he's too big a risk in a time of a "healthy economic climate"; it's up to him and the campaign to show that those measures don't mean squat for most people.

i went through my whole childhood hearing my dad call innocuous midwestern university towns havens for 'communists', so, thanks for debasing that one, pops

That video triggered an unironic rendition of 'America, Fuck Yeah!' in my head. Although it's probably more than a little utopian to hope that the broader establishment will follow that one dude's lead re: curiosity and self-reflection.

xxpost I don't have anything more than anecdotal data points, but my mom (for example), went hard Democrat post-Trump - she used to consider herself an "independent" - and now she is firmly "blue no matter who." Still, talking to her she does seem to have some misgivings with the term "socialist," which ... yeah, she's borne the brunt of propaganda for *decades,* it takes a bit to get past that, despite being very smart and very educated. She told me she has friends who are anti-Trump but *also* anti-Sanders, threatening to stay home and not vote if he gets the nomination, and she apparently pushed back at them, reminding them that getting rid of Trump remains the top priority. Hopefully she doesn't let them get away with inaction.

I have another friend who is a financial advisor, and she has been telling clients, per the guidance of managers above her, that Sanders *or* Warren getting elected is predicted to knock 30% off the stock market. For what that's worth (literally and figuratively). So, yeah,

The challenge for the Sanders campaign will be fighting the perception that he's too big a risk in a time of a "healthy economic climate"; it's up to him and the campaign to show that those measures don't mean squat for most people.

That Vox piece above did an OK job explaining that Sanders is ultimately just another politician who behaves like normal politicians, but that's a double edged sword. Sanders generates a lot of energy from his occasional bomb throwing rhetoric, so it's a risk to amplify the more mundane aspects of his political record. If he makes himself appear *less* radical, does it cost him support? If he gets the nom, will he attempt at all to mainstream? Does he need to? I have no idea. As always it all comes down to turnout, and that, historically, has been erratic.

So let us imagine President Sanders, whose cheering crowds holler, “Lock them all up!” Let’s imagine an attorney general specifically tasked with prosecuting (not merely investigating) every senior member of the Trump administration. https://t.co/O576o1Ws13

— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) February 24, 2020

i'm imagining it

it sounds fuckin' lit tbh

lol @ the responses

Having ceded executive power and, in effect, erased the impeachment clause, there may be little or no brake on what a Sanders administration might do. And, in one sense, who could blame the left for adopting the playbook the right wrote?

I do not know if a Sanders administration would engage in such actions, but if it is as radical as Republicans imagine, they should expect nothing less. Perhaps then it will dawn on them that setting fire to our institutions and eradicating accountability for the president was a fatal error — fatal to democracy and to the rule of law. By then, of course, it will be too late.

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But how will we ever reconcile as a country! Wither civility!?!

The current president has been nothing but civil, and see how successfully he unified his base? We need a uniter, not a divider!

The room is on fire. In one corner is a living child, in the other is a pile of norms. Which do you choose to save?

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"Nice knowing you ... "

I like how the punditry acknowledges that the Republicans have destroyed government institutions and trampled on the US Constitution and this has created a horrifyingly dangerous situation for the nation as a whole... from an imaginary Sanders administration!

in effect, erased the impeachment clause just as an side, this is a bad take, and one I hear from liberals a lot as well. The impeachment clause is vague and subjective. Failing to impeach a president does not "erase the impeachment clause." There is no mandatory impeachment in the Constitution.

it sounds fuckin' lit tbh

otm

lol @ the responses

otm

Jeet Heer's latest is a good companion to the Anand Giridharadas video, framing MSNBC in the Trump era as an "ancien regime resistance" that united centrist liberals and Never Trumpers, and which is now in danger of collapse: https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/msnbc-sanders-freak-out

Bernie winning is basically 9/11pic.twitter.com/picXYeSpTB

— Samuel D. Finkelstein II (@CANCEL_SAM) February 24, 2020

Won't somebody please think of the airline owners?!

it really is happening

we really do live in a society after all

Bernie has some interesting views on Castro, but what does he think of other famous despots?
We don't know, but here are some guesses:#BernieOnDespots https://t.co/l7isoNAdPd

— Team Bloomberg (@Mike2020) February 24, 2020

frikkin YIKES

that thread is reallllll embarrassing

mike you’re posting cringe bro

Homophobia AND pointless line breaks, what a thread

this is like a single poster joke thread

Okay, I might have to get back on Twitter just to follow that account. It's like watching a livecam of someone vandalizing their asshole CEO's mansion.

not endearing himself to the LGBTQ demo lately