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It's disingenuous at best if PT can't see this.

Its not disingenuous, she is simply out of touch. Its the same thing with MSNBC's meltdown/bafflement over the rise of Bernard. Its alien to them because they're cut off and as media people their job is to create realities. Thats why there's almost no reflection, no curiosity, no anything - and why 'cultishness' is the only answer they have

Her position was set however many years ago and her job is just to roll it out every week, regardless of whats happening. Its a form of brainworms more than disingeneousness.

anvil, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 16:11 (four years ago) link

Her dad was shit-hot at predicting the direction of traffic as well, he declared the fad for JRR Tolkien was over just before paperback LOTR was published in the US in the 60's! He did the transition from tankie to grumpy old conservative reactionary - more of the latter obv rubbed off on Polly.

calzino, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 16:12 (four years ago) link

got to hand it to her though - she's very accomplished at being Polly Toynbee, must be a charmed life when you get quite handsomely remunerated for just being yourself!

calzino, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 16:22 (four years ago) link

Lol imagine calling people xenophobic because your idiotic opinion was called out.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 16:27 (four years ago) link

I can imagine it.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 16:45 (four years ago) link

Feel like I've seen it in the wild.

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link

How many threads must a man scroll through
Until he finds one without Fred

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 18:40 (four years ago) link

Politics, prog rock or poll
All you've gotta do is scroll
And I'll be there
You've got a Fred

Frederik B, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 18:47 (four years ago) link

Remove Bookmark from this Threaaaaaaad

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 18:48 (four years ago) link

They’re just fucking with us now

Strange as it may seem, Keir Starmer could be the British Bernie Sanders | Patrick Maguire https://t.co/8e70kkiUkq

— The Guardian (@guardian) February 27, 2020



Cultivating new support across class and ethnic divides has put Sanders on the road to the Democratic nomination, and Starmer believes that the same approach can put Labour back on the path to power: keep left, rebuild a diverse coalition of voters, and look beyond the red wall.

median punt (gyac), Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:10 (four years ago) link

no i think a lot of them really are capable of this level of doublethink

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:23 (four years ago) link

Patrick Maguire is a political correspondent at the New Statesman

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:24 (four years ago) link

the vested interests arraigned behind RLB
is next level

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link

well yes the left of the party's base and the Unite union are obstacles to be overcome, never mind that Starmer still hasn't revealed whose pocket he is in the shady cunt.

calzino, Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link

isn't party politics about self-interest groups or is it somehow shady and "populist" if the self-interest groups aren't corporations and billionaires?

calzino, Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:42 (four years ago) link

This is how these cunts talk when they've got no concept of a Labour Party that can anything else but a reconstructed version of the tories.

calzino, Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:56 (four years ago) link

They’re just fucking with us now

🐦[Strange as it may seem, Keir Starmer could be the British Bernie Sanders | Patrick Maguire https://t.co/8e70kkiUkq🕸
— The Guardian (@guardian) February 27, 2020🕸]🐦

_Cultivating new support across class and ethnic divides has put Sanders on the road to the Democratic nomination, and Starmer believes that the same approach can put Labour back on the path to power: keep left, rebuild a diverse coalition of voters, and look beyond the red wall._


patrick maguire is usually pretty good, and the article does not say what the headline says; in fact the opening sentence says the opposite - how few would believe it and with good reason. the article is about how starmer is trying to position himself as someone who can broaden the base for labour, but how he is vulnerable to the questions of who funds him, which is the attack line of RLB. and how that’s more the campaigns and it’s clear that RLB and Starmer have a pretty good relationship despite an increase in the sniping.

the premise of it is bad though - no one is trying afaict to make the direct sanders comparison, which simply doesn’t wash for any of the candidates here, because the electoral systems are so different.

which reminds me, i’ve got my ballot through.

Fizzles, Friday, 28 February 2020 07:06 (four years ago) link

RLB doesn't have an attack line. She hasn't attacked anyone in this campaign. Rightly or wrongly.

the pinefox, Saturday, 29 February 2020 14:24 (four years ago) link

Apparently wrongly.

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 29 February 2020 14:30 (four years ago) link

releasing her list of campaign donors and then her biggest donor big len steaming into the starmer campaign about his lack of disclosure was a minor attack I suppose. If I had been running her campaign Starmer would probably be successfully suing me for libel right now, but I'd have made at least some of that shit stick to him and cause some damage at least. I hate all that unity bs, as if politics isn't about competing factions and their interests.

calzino, Saturday, 29 February 2020 14:38 (four years ago) link

even though Starmer has put on a show of keeping it polite blah blah unity, his campaign have been playing dirty and smearing right from from the off. Bunch of foul Akehurst/Labour First moles!

calzino, Saturday, 29 February 2020 14:45 (four years ago) link

Politeness is always a political move

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 29 February 2020 14:59 (four years ago) link

RLB doesn't have an attack line. She hasn't attacked anyone in this campaign. Rightly or wrongly.


i think he’s talking about her campaign’s attack starmer on funding.

Fizzles, Saturday, 29 February 2020 15:47 (four years ago) link

sorry, as calz said.

Fizzles, Saturday, 29 February 2020 15:59 (four years ago) link

Big Dunty has gushed that Starmer is "the functional opposition coming" because his twitter account has done a short critical thread on the outrage against oh so brave Sir Philip Rutnam and the civil service. What a merciless offensive against the tory government, they must be shaking in their boots in the face of finally ... a functional opposition!

calzino, Saturday, 29 February 2020 16:19 (four years ago) link

Can't wait till Lisa Nandy comes out and says that Labour haven't been bullying civil servants enough and how bullying is a part of life in towns

— Loki (@Lokinash06) February 29, 2020

calzino, Saturday, 29 February 2020 16:57 (four years ago) link

oops sorry I'm misusing this thread as a proxy Labour leadership one

calzino, Saturday, 29 February 2020 16:58 (four years ago) link

or poxy as I should have said!

calzino, Saturday, 29 February 2020 17:06 (four years ago) link

Just had a lovely train of thought where this thread is the valid title for a dystopian 70s sci-fi world

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 29 February 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link

Watson’s name features a number of times in this week’s report of the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (IICSA) but he is not, so far as I can tell, directly criticised. The report is more concerned that, though there was ample evidence of sexual abusers linked to Westminster, there was a culture of deference towards politicians and other well-connected people. Others feature rather more centrally than Watson.


Rushridger neatly brushing this off is sickening

median punt (gyac), Saturday, 29 February 2020 18:44 (four years ago) link

Yeah

Other thoughts later, but mostly "satanic abuse"

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 29 February 2020 19:06 (four years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/pete-buttigieg-president-white-house-gay-lgbtq

I’m sure there is a good article that could be written about Pete Buttigieg running a moderately successful campaign as a gay man, but this is not it.

AlanSmithee, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 09:40 (four years ago) link

Guardian really covering itself in glory atm. This piece is so scummy I archived it. Chucking in the Polanski comparison - as though being uninvited from speaking was on the same fucking planet as being a child rapist who never served his sentence. What’s the motive for such a wild and insane comparison, I wonder?*

Hate crimes against trans people are spiralling and let’s not forget New Zealand granted a woman’s asylum application because of this reason. But nah, Suzanne and her mates doing the dirty work of the far right and kicking and screaming about being challenged for their bigoted views are the real victims.

*this is rhetorical, it’s just too libellous to write down in full

median punt (gyac), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 09:51 (four years ago) link

Sorry, as protesting a child rapist who never served his sentence.

median punt (gyac), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 09:52 (four years ago) link

"Woman’s Place UK clearly isn’t a hate group, and the Labour pledge led to many women using the hashtag #ExpelMe on Twitter"

expel them then, that would be guaranteed to cost Starmer some votes.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 10:01 (four years ago) link

fuck Suzanne Moore and her hair that looks like an elephant has shat on her head.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 10:02 (four years ago) link

I've no idea who she is or what she sounds like but its hard to imagine that she has a worse speaking voice than than Paperclip Man

anvil, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 10:06 (four years ago) link

she's a bigot and once tried to run as an independent against Diane Abbott and lost her deposit I think.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 10:10 (four years ago) link

I imagine Diane Abbott was quaking in her boots when she saw Suzanne Moore's name on the candidate list.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 10:21 (four years ago) link

Woman’s Place UK was founded in 2017 to do not much else than moan about trans women and it is totally a hate group. Someone I have known for 30 years is a member and last week, somehow a phone call to offer sympathy re: my dead cousin turned into me telling her repeatedly not to talk to me about WPUK or Janice Turner or puberty blockers or how she isn’t in a hate group (nobody who is not in a hate group needs to go around telling people they are not in a hate group). Babe, you are in a hate group.

santa clause four (suzy), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 10:24 (four years ago) link

Lol. My t-shirt saying "I am not in a hate group" has people asking a lot of questions already answered etc

Appleman Appears: 20/2/2020. Whose Cider You On? (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 10:25 (four years ago) link

Good name for a band that, Hate Group.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 10:28 (four years ago) link

stopped reading that long read on the Golden Dawn trials by Trilling because it pissed me off when he jumps from Nazi occupied Greece to the creation of the EU without mentioning the UK backed fascist tyranny they suffered in between which has to be relevant to their history of fascism, typical ahistorical centrist bollocks.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 11:57 (four years ago) link

Indeed, one of the common mistakes made about Xenakis is that he had half his face blown off fighting the Nazis when, in fact, he had half his face off fighting the British.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:10 (four years ago) link

other common mistakes made abt xenakis include wait i have the list here somewhere

mark s, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:11 (four years ago) link

I've got one you can borrow.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:13 (four years ago) link

it mentions it halfway down:

The German occupation of Greece in the second world war was marked by famine, massacres and a growing conflict between communist-led partisans and those rightwing Greeks who collaborated with the occupiers. As the war drew to a close, British forces, who had until then supported the partisans, attempted to prevent them from running the newly liberated country. Instead, the British empowered the right. This sowed the seeds for the civil war of 1946 to 1949, during which more than 150,000 people were killed. As the historian Mark Mazower writes in Inside Hitler’s Greece, the civil war ended in victory for the right, behind whom “lurked the mysterious ‘para-state’, a loose network of shadowy rightwing paramilitary organisations dedicated to protecting Greece … from the left”.

Almost three decades of repression followed [...]

Paperbag raita (ledge), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:14 (four years ago) link

I went into a rage and stopped reading before there!

calzino, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 12:19 (four years ago) link


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