How will you vote in the Labour Leadership election?

The people I've talked won't cop for that, they told me didn't bother voting. But you just never know what goes on in that ballot booth despite what people say.

voting booth! lol ballot booth wtf!

seen some estimates of 200k ppl who voted leave and lab 2017 switching to lib dems/green/SNP in 2019, including a significant chunk in the red wall. but yes more didn't vote. only half of voters have voted the same way in the last 4 general elections which is an all time low

I think it was only around half the seats Labour lost that they would've held, at least for another electoral term, had BXP not run alongside Tories - assuming the bulk of the BXP vote were 'former Labour never - at least still not yet - Tory'

There’s also the possibility that some of the wc Tory vote was originally Brexit/UKIP.

Stoke on Trent North had a particularly bad turnout drop of around 10% but most other places Labour lost seemed to be down more like 5% or less

lab the beneficiaries of lots of doomed tactical voting too ofc

Think it’s probably Labour voters staying home in the end, and actual levels of switching Lab-Con being relatively low, but we’ll have to wait for the BES report to confirm. Having said all that, the people voting Lib Dem in Kensington, Green in Stroud will forever be cunts of the highest order.

Wait, Labour Leave to the Lib Dems? Jaysis.

Somethib something.. the hated grey squirrel coming over here and taking all our jobs...

Prob at least 3x as many labour remain voters to lib dems but yeah. everyone massively underrates how unusually chaotic and turbulent the electorate has been lately, within constituencies, wards and households even more than between regions or groups.

lab leave > con must have been a big thing unless the issue which has split the Tory party and seen off their leaders for 30 years suddenly stopped mattering to tories bc there wldnt be enough voters to make up the shortfall in tory remain voters otherwise

Datapraxis did the best GE report by miles imo, altho the demographic tribal groupings are p questionable it at least beats the idea that there is any sort of explanatory narrative that features less than abt 20 different things going on simultaneously

Lots of Tory marketing (nearly 4x as well funded as labour sez the electoral commission today) was v much aimed at labour leave voters, Get Brexit Done came up in a focus group meeting in bury iirc and they ran with it

my reasoning is that a lot of labour's losses were quite marginal defeats in leave voting seats, with the brexit party-tory pact being effective (and weirdly under-discussed?).

This was written up fairly quickly, really the main reason for Labour's loss and under-discussed even by Labour in the post-mortem, which suits a lot of people.

https://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/brexit-party-nigel-farage-boris-johnson-labour-leavers

xxp

xxp idk, I’m sure if you look at the actual vote counts the Tories weren’t much different from 17 whereas Lab fell off? And 17 was a high water mark for both cos May got ~80% of the UKIP votes. Even the 19 Lab vote was more comparable to their votes in 15 & 10 and it was 17 that was the outlier.

yeah tories were slightly up overall despite losing their remainers. lab lost voters a bit in all directions

Just got an actual phone call from KS campaign, told them I was voting for RLB.

At this point they have also sent me 2 text messages and one letter and countless FB ads

give him his due, the lad really wants it

he's covering every blade of grass is this lad!

Hardest working ventiloquist's dummy in showbiz.

shane long-bailey runs about a lot and works very hard for the team as well.. but is that enough?

Same people funding Starmer’s leadership bid probably https://t.co/hKUluFESzU

— Rosewood Shoehorn (@apiarism) February 27, 2020

the net closes in on Starmer's mystery campaign donors and lol at the LibDems!

Monbiot backing Nandy (?????)

I thought it was widely agreed RLB is the greenest candidate with the bonus of not working with former fucking UKIP honchos?

Nandy also got a ringing endorsement from the good ppl of dewsbury last night despite paying lip service to neoliberalism and drip down economics. I think some folk just like her!

"she’s got a lovely touch, she gets the collaborative nature of what politics now needs to be”

lol all she ever does is legit concerns, predictions of doom or random jukebox hour.. what the fuck is he smoking?

you dirty .. dirty dirty old man.

just got an email from doreen lawrence backing starmer

maybe they swapped bending to royals tips at some point?

non-politics ppl I know are complaining abt starmer's voice. "I never want to listen to him again". I wonder if his offputting nasal southernness is why ppl up here are backing nandy

Nandy’s support is majority men, complete opposite of the other two.

ppl who like her sincere raised eyebrows expression

Monbiot pro-fracking now as well?

Labour has written to me telling me they can’t find me on my local electoral register and therefore I am not eligible to vote unless I prove otherwise? Possibly this is due to the version of the register (I opt out of the public one), but what a pain. I’ve forwarded them some proof, hopefully they let me know soon.

Nesrine Malik has a short piece about Nandy’s inability to triangulate

This fear of looking weak is why the opportunity to take on the Conservative party, and the right in general, by presenting a clear counter-narrative is missed again and again. There is already someone “listening” to people on immigration, already a party that has achieved the job of not making people feel irrational or racist for having anti-immigration views. Labour’s task is not to provide more of the same, but to spell out clearly the colossal trick that the right has played on the country, in taking the despair that should be directed at austerity, the gutting of the NHS, the corporatisation and dehumanisation of the state, and saying clearly that immigration has nothing to do with it.

She was literally coming out with 100% Tory lines on taxation at my local hustings, as in saying we can't have great the public services we enjoy if we overtax billionaires and the bunch of self-hating mugs gave her a round of applause. That's why they call her "Towns" I guess.

Honestly I was done with her the second she started lying about buses.

it's proof that lame as fuck libs like Monbiot are quite happy to vouch for pols despite being absolutely oblivious to what kind of policies they represent. I mean she has quite a scattergun approach but you get enough info to know that she is fiscally way to the right for starters.

https://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/screenshot_2020-02-28_at_16.30.04.png?itok=-hghMFIY

for a more thorough set of stats including data that might be able to answer the question: 'is alex sobel one of the top 8 most powerful LW forces in UK electoral politics?'

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Myl8IpeobHwTJQv4GPKHHIi5JrRXPgwOYh9Xl3uzh-E/edit#gid=0

come on, lads, I’ve given ye the evidence

https://i.postimg.cc/J4kvrCLb/8066-D47-D-657-D-4-B57-B67-E-B2-E2-B36-C6297.jpg UGH

sobez hopes to become the first gamer PM but he is a hardcore civ 5 zealot and will not upgrade to civ 6. first flavor flav gets kicked out of PE and now this - when will the left stop tearing itself apart?

I don’t really care about his Civ stance, I’m more interested in which fighting game series he likes more. I’m not voting for someone who likes Street Fighter.

This is a good interview from Starmer:

As Labour leader, what steps would you take to challenge the vilification of trans people in the media? And how would you educate people within the Labour Party and the wider population who still hold anti-trans views?

The Labour Party stands up for people who are being abused and vilified, and we always will we always should. Trans rights are human rights and I support the right to self identification. The Gender Recognition Act was a step in the right direction, but it doesn’t go far enough. Other countries have now gone past us with more rights; therefore, it does need extending. I agree about the dehumanising aspects of the [gender recognition] process. But we want to have this debate in the right spirit. I don’t think it helps to have too heated a debate about it, it must be possible to move forward in the right spirit.

The media’s role in this is really, really important because they’re amplifying some of the hatred. And I see the echoes of Section 28. The same arguments, the same examples that were used when we were battling Section 28 are now being used in a different context. And just as we battled it then, so we have to battle it now. I think we will look back at this period, at some of the media coverage in particular, and be ashamed of what’s gone on, just as we’re ashamed of what went on when we were battling Section 28. So that’s how I would approach it as a leader of the Labour Party.

A nice way to think about it, however idealistic, is that the closer RLB gets to him, the more attention he'll have to pay to these issues

I mean in fairness he was a human rights lawyer, I'm pretty sure he didn't suddenly start thinking about transphobia because he was looking over his shoulder at the RLB campaign.

That last answer though, indefensible.

Wait til you find out he’s an Arsenal season ticket holder and mentions this fact on his website.

One rule for Jezza

Not a season ticket holder!

he just pretended to be a gunner to own the ilx melts!