Opal - Early Recordings/Happy Nightmare Baby

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So I think I read that the opal reissue from 2019 wasn't authorized? I see it up for pre-order now. Confused

god_of_hell_fire, Thursday, 27 February 2020 16:34 (eight months ago) link

My guess (genuinely only a guess) is that it was put together by someone who thought they had the rights or didn't think there would be a problem with them, then a few copies got out, then there was a problem with the rights, subsequently resolved, release is back on.

Tim, Thursday, 27 February 2020 16:39 (eight months ago) link

otm imo

sleeve, Thursday, 27 February 2020 17:32 (eight months ago) link

three months pass...

how did I space on the Early Recordings vol 2 mentioned upthread? I'm having a very enjoyable afternoon catching up. If I'd been handed a copy of this 25 years ago my brain would have exploded.

assert (MatthewK), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 06:27 (five months ago) link

...is this available for purchase? It's on youtube for streaming.

that's not my post, Friday, 19 June 2020 03:36 (five months ago) link

It's a boot, apparently from a tape stolen from David Roback. A few of the songs are not Opal but another member of Rain Parade I think.

assert (MatthewK), Friday, 19 June 2020 04:13 (five months ago) link

I can ysi if u ILXmail me

also paging f. hazel, I did email you but never got that link

sleeve, Friday, 19 June 2020 05:01 (five months ago) link

At least one of the songs on Early 2 is from the very first Rain Parade recordings. Matt Piucci talks about it in one of the recent episodes of the paisley underground podcast.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 19 June 2020 07:33 (five months ago) link

yeah when Matt P was first made aware of Early 2 iirc he got mad because he thought it was a legit release and Dave R was ripping off his songs or something?

chipstick rebellion (Colonel Poo), Friday, 19 June 2020 13:07 (five months ago) link

four weeks pass...

hrmmm

Sadly - they may never come out now - difficulties with David Roback’s management

— Pat Thomas (@PatThomas1964) July 17, 2020

tylerw, Friday, 17 July 2020 23:22 (four months ago) link

gahhh

f. hazel plz check yr ilxmail

sleeve, Saturday, 18 July 2020 00:55 (four months ago) link

Sucks to hear it. :-/

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 18 July 2020 00:56 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

Thanks to David Roback, his management and the record company- these two releases are permanently cancelled. Yes, CDs were manufactured and a few copies were sold last November. Sadly the remainder will be destroyed. Kendra & I did everything we could to make this release happen

— Pat Thomas (@PatThomas1964) November 11, 2020

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:41 (one week ago) link

fuuuuuck

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:17 (one week ago) link

such bullshit

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:17 (one week ago) link

he goes on to say: "it’s too complex to write it all out on Twitter, but I will say there were unreasonable and immoral demands set forth."

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:25 (one week ago) link

i'm trying to imagine who would be good for an opal / kendra smith tribute album ...

heron oblivion
damon & naomi
magik markers
dream syndicate
dean & britta

who else?!

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:26 (one week ago) link

I saw Opal split up onstage in London in 1988, not their greatest show I'm guessing.

happy dreamhorse baby (Matt #2), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 16:35 (one week ago) link

I'm still baffled a bit: was this some sort of final wish of Roback's before he died or was in his will, or is his estate just jerking everyone's chain?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 17:03 (one week ago) link

yeah i really have no idea.

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 17:37 (one week ago) link

yeah it's a bit weird to blame him now given he's dead

akm, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 17:59 (one week ago) link

the 'immoral' statement makes me assume that there was some assertion on Roback or his estate's part that would have denied any funds going to Kendra. Did they hate each other?

akm, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:02 (one week ago) link

well that's depressing!

thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:04 (one week ago) link

Low would be great for a tribute album.

akm, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:04 (one week ago) link

there's already four Opal tribute albums, the last one was called Seasons of Your Day

thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:07 (one week ago) link

haha, really? well i missed those.

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:14 (one week ago) link

oh lol, i get it now.

tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:15 (one week ago) link

Wouldn't mind hearing William Reid sing "She's a Diamond".

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:50 (one week ago) link

so weird that they are going to destroy the remaining copies of this. I get that they can't sell them but surely they could give them away, at least?

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:06 (one week ago) link

that's a pretty typical aftereffect of these kinds of injunctions, iirc. like Prince w/the Black Album.

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:10 (one week ago) link

it's hard to believe this band or anyone associated with it has the legal or financial wherewithal to impose any kind of injunction though.

akm, Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:48 (one week ago) link

I'm guessing they made a fair amount of money from Mazzy Star over the years, especially "Fade Into You"

thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:07 (one week ago) link

Roback and Hope, yes. But Roback is deceased. So I guess this falls to whoever is handling the estate, or whoever owns the rights to these recordings; I also know, from the little I've dealt with the American music club reissues, that dealing with rights holders for independent music from the 80's and 90's is a complete pain in the ass. Hats off to Light in the Attic and Omnivore and other reissue labels that have the patience to deal with it

akm, Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:13 (one week ago) link

I mean yeah, remember that Happy Nightmare Baby was released on SST!

thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:18 (one week ago) link

I believe it was a similar rights issue that kept the Game Theory records out of print in Scott Miller's lifetime, after Enigma Records had collapsed.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:20 (one week ago) link

So sad that there's this kinda of wrangling over what must be a thin gruel of royalties

Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:56 (one week ago) link

exactly. Pat clarified on twitter that the rights are owned 50/50 but Roback's demands were unacceptable. Hard to understand what kind of demands you can have when it's understood that you only own 50%. Frankly owning 50% of your rights for this stuff is pretty good.

akm, Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:05 (one week ago) link

Is the thinking sells on Discogs for $75, therefore the demand must be huge!?

Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:19 (one week ago) link

god who knows. it's probably more along the lines of 'fade into you has made oodles of money and so there must be huge demand for his back catalogue' but I don't think reissues of Emergency Third Rail Power Trip sold out instantly and made trillions of dollars.

akm, Friday, 13 November 2020 03:51 (one week ago) link

which songs on Early Recordings II are actually Opal songs? I assume the ones where Kendra is singing, but other than that...

thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:15 (one week ago) link

seeing as some CDs were supposedly sold have the extra tracks surfaced anywhere yet? really want to hear the properly mastered Sailing Boats

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:21 (one week ago) link


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