at this point i think it's good that panic hasn't really set in but i guess i'm gonna catch and spread this virus so ymmv
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link
like my workplace + the subway is basically a terrarium for disease, we're getting it
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:51 (four years ago) link
lily all of that would drive me insane too. even here in chicago, i don't understand why my workplace isn't advising everyone to work from home - something that many of us do multiple times a week anyway.
but your roommate has a reasonable take, too. all the usual authorities aren't advising to stay at home or avoid public places. even as simultaneous news keeps coming that the virus has been community spread for weeks now and is beyond containment.
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link
most people assume that the State will provide justice and protection. but it takes competent people to do that
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:55 (four years ago) link
Our townsfolk were not more to blame than others; they forgot to be modest, that was all, and thought that everything still was possible for them; which presupposed that pestilences were impossible.
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:55 (four years ago) link
department downstairs is having a mandatory work-from-home day as practice. i still use 3g broadband so that's not going to be great for me.
― koogs, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:56 (four years ago) link
I haven't left my apartment since I came back home Saturday morning and don't plan to for the full two weeks. I don't have symptoms but it's easy for me not to go anywhere and I was in a place dense with asian tourists for two months. I really would prefer not to be the person unknowingly spreading it in a country where there are currently no cases.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:57 (four years ago) link
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, March 3, 2020 10:51 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yes, I assume that those factors (particularly with my open-plan workplace, where we're on top of one another like goddamn sardines) + the fact that my gf is a preschool teacher = when, not if for me.
― Lake Meat (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:57 (four years ago) link
lol mookie i'm actually about to start reading the plague
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:00 (four years ago) link
speaking as a cancer patient w/ a wrecked-by-meds immune system, que sera sera
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:06 (four years ago) link
The Plague is such an amazing book, I was just thinking I should reread it today.
― Lily Dale, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:07 (four years ago) link
i've been reading magic mountain which also feels v relevant to our pandemic times (tho on top of it i'm going thru a flare-up and am on prednisone so the synchronicity is off the charts).
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:09 (four years ago) link
there's also a part about listening to records, so you're going to be so seen
― j., Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:12 (four years ago) link
i mean in five years when you get to that part
mordy get thee to the ilb magic mountain thread!
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:13 (four years ago) link
They listen to records in The Plague, too! "Saint James Infirmary" on repeat, iirc.
Also I was posting upthread that my housemate (not the one I was arguing with, one of the other four), came back from Hawaii three weeks ago with something corresponding to the symptoms of coronavirus and couldn't get tested. The last case of it in my household was about a week ago, so I'm treating myself as a potential vector just to be on the safe side. The only person who's going to be inconvenienced by that is me, so I don't see any reason not to be cautious. Given how many people in Seattle have now been exposed one way or another, I don't see why that's not the general mentality.
I hate that I'm turning into a full-on "WAKE UP SHEEPLE, THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW BAD THIS IS!" doom merchant, because I don't listen to those people either. But every time I run the calculations, that's what it adds up to.
― Lily Dale, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:16 (four years ago) link
"saint james infirmary" one of the few songs i can play well on the piano uh oh
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:18 (four years ago) link
I don't think there's anything wrong with voluntarily staying home or avoiding public places, but I wouldn't expect to see this become more widespread without specific guidance from the CDC and state health agencies that we should all be doing this. At that point, I'd expect to see more businesses and schools encouraging it where possible.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
some jewish schools in NY closed including SAR which honestly based on the name seems about right
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:24 (four years ago) link
big law conference for this upcoming weekend in Eugene is canceled
http://pielc.org/coronavirus-response/
― sleeve, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
im not immunocompromised, older, or in a poor state of health and just have accepted that I'm probably going to get this (I work at a university and use transit, im around people a lot) and it'll be fine. I already wash my hands often so there's not much more I can do. maybe buy a stack of mr noodles and some ensure for when I have to take a fortnight off work I guess
― frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:35 (four years ago) link
i'm immunocompromised and in a poor state of health but i'm not particularly worried - i mean maybe i'll catch it and i'll die god forbid and that would suck for my family for sure but it's not really in my hands beyond washing them.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:36 (four years ago) link
Brooklyn much quieter than usual. Generally a scary world.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:37 (four years ago) link
Some good information in this Vox interview with Bruce Aylward, from the World Health Organization:
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/2/21161067/coronavirus-covid19-china
"I think the key learning from China is speed — it’s all about the speed. The faster you can find the cases, isolate the cases, and track their close contacts, the more successful you’re going to be. [...]
People keep saying [the cases are the] tip of the iceberg. But we couldn’t find that. We found there’s a lot of people who are cases, a lot of close contacts — but not a lot of asymptomatic circulation of this virus in the bigger population. And that’s different from flu. [...]
China got patients in treatment early and have highly sophisticated health care treatment procedures. They are really good at keeping people alive with this disease. They have a survival rate (with a mortality rate of just under 1% outside of Hubei province) for this disease I would not extrapolate to the rest of the world. What you’ve seen in Italy and Iran is that a lot of people are dying.
Panic and hysteria are not appropriate. This is a disease that is in the cases and their close contacts. It’s not a hidden enemy lurking behind bushes. Get organized, get educated, and get working."
― Darin, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:38 (four years ago) link
now is a good time to buy stock in companies that support walking, since lyft and uber are bound to take a hit from this. invest now in socks, shoes, soles, and it might not hurt to buy low on the cobbler industry
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link
I would like to panic :\
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:40 (four years ago) link
What about bionic limbs?
xp
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
My bf and I both don't have insurance right now so I'm going with "stock up on anti-inflammatories and batten down." Going out less, leaving the city more. I was planning to visit MI soon but my parents are "older" now and my sister has a new baby so...MAYBE NOT.
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
good left communist article about coronavirus http://chuangcn.org/2020/02/social-contagion/
― frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
what's the pt in panicking? why suffer now about the fear of suffering that might happen later? if it does happen you can suffer then. if it doesn't you'll have suffered for naught.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:42 (four years ago) link
oh wait, there's no point in worry about things that might happen? good to know, that will solve anxiety and depression for so many people!
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:42 (four years ago) link
And I was literally going to go to a returns watch party tonight but this thread is making me think maybe that's a bad idea? Is this the world now?
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:42 (four years ago) link
turns out, there was no point so you just have to not do it!
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link
honestly im kinda psyched rly
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
well more to the point I'd like to react to this by starting to work remotely and just sitting at home but nobody is telling me I should so I'm more anxious than if I were yielding to my instincts to overreact
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
That WHO person is not taking into account the direness of the US healthcare system and who is in charge of the country.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link
Also, I don't consider it panicking. I consider it being responsible for those around you. Like, vaccinating your kids.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
you mock but i suffer/ed with anxiety for my entire life and that is one of the thoughts that has given me a lot of comfort
― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link
I think he's addressing our direness here: China got patients in treatment early and have highly sophisticated health care treatment procedures. They are really good at keeping people alive with this disease. They have a survival rate (with a mortality rate of just under 1% outside of Hubei province) for this disease I would not extrapolate to the rest of the world. What you’ve seen in Italy and Iran is that a lot of people are dying.
― Darin, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:49 (four years ago) link
well if the italians cant organise against this then what hope have th no sorry i cant
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:50 (four years ago) link
xpost. Oh ha, I thought he sounded overly optimistic. I guess he was just being factual.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:52 (four years ago) link
Also this:
Q: Aren’t the two initial symptoms most commonly fever and dry cough?
Bruce Aylward:
Right. [But many still think] it’s a runny nose and cold. Your population is your surveillance system. Everybody has got a smartphone, everybody can get a thermometer. That is your surveillance system. Don’t rely on this hitting your health system, because then it’s going to infect it. You’ve got this great surveillance system out there — make sure the surveillance system is primed. Make sure you’re ready to act on the signals that come in from that surveillance system. You’ve got to be set up to rapidly assess whether or not they really have those symptoms, test those people, and, if necessary, isolate and trace their contacts.
Here, again, is where I’ve seen things starting to break down. What I’ve been told is if you think you’ve been exposed and have a fever, call your [general practitioner]. We’ve got to be better than that. If we are going to use our GPs — do they have an emergency line where you can get through? Do they know what to do?
In China, they have set up a giant network of fever hospitals. In some areas, a team can go to you and swab you and have an answer for you in four to seven hours. But you’ve got to be set up — speed is everything.
― Darin, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
throwing away my secret hopes this would finally be the disease one cures by eating cacio e pepe for every meal
― latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:26 (four years ago) link
beginning to wonder if I had this back at the beginning of February
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:27 (four years ago) link
please let us know if you progress to mid-wonder so we may divest all stock holdings
― latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
maybe you will know if you have it if you *don't* crave cacio e pepe.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
oops now I crave cacio e pepe
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:41 (four years ago) link
i am going to make a mask of it to wear.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:45 (four years ago) link
sorry guys I ruined SXSW, who wants cacio e pepe
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:45 (four years ago) link
Theres a case in Chile now, Yerac. In Talca tho, not Santiago
― frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link