Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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She went to the convent next to my high school.

lol no way didn't know that

I had my first snog with a girl from that school 28 years old I was

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 5 March 2020 13:36 (four years ago) link

Is she going to end up as a Telegraph columnist or something?

I was going to say nothing is more certain but who knows if the Telegraph will still be around in a few years from now.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 March 2020 13:36 (four years ago) link

xp they had the ugliest uniforms of all time, also they are now closed. I didn't bully the convent girls but pretty sure some other kids from my school did, wonder if this led to her obvious contempt for the plebs.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 5 March 2020 13:41 (four years ago) link

Her going to a convent school makes me respect her and her dogshit take on the referendum even less!

Before polling day, I’d been trying to work out which side seemed like the “establishment”, in case the vote followed the trend of recent populist revolts. But in Ireland, with its strong Catholic tradition, the Repeal side seemed like the insurgents, despite their broad political support.


Honestly. There’s an obligatory dig at trans people in there somewhere, in lieu of a watermark on the article or something I guess.

Being British, I have been unable to stop making comparisons with the EU referendum of 2016, and with feminist campaigns more generally.

median punt (gyac), Thursday, 5 March 2020 14:28 (four years ago) link

I can see and understand that lots of people have big disagreements with HL over gender issues, but the curious thing is how she's bad on so many other issues also.

She hates JC; disdains people who speak for socialism or its values; is the kind of person who says 'your regular reminder that Tony Blair won 3 elections'; also likes saying things like 'Sorry to the left misogynists out there, but yes, Theresa May is a persecuted feminist icon - my column for The Atlantic'. She doesn't seem to have a view on whether the UK should stop going to war and bombing more vulnerable countries, but probably thinks that people who bring it up are irrelevant.

I think she's not actually terrible at basic journalism skills - fact-gathering, looking at data, etc - compared to some; but her opinions are so contrarian anti-left that they trash whatever is good about her.

― the pinefox, Thursday, 5 March 2020 13:09 (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is a truly chefs kiss post

plax (ico), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:49 (four years ago) link

Also quench your thirst on crocodile tears rudd

plax (ico), Friday, 6 March 2020 13:16 (four years ago) link

Why does Helen Lewis always do that...thing with her face?

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 6 March 2020 13:20 (four years ago) link

I felt the strange desire to look at Rudd's daughter's tweet, perhaps just to see if anyone had replied to be snide about the v poor punctuation from people keen to mention "their old Uni", but a quick Google led me to this instead

Florence Gill (born 27 July 1877 – 19 February 1965) was an English actress and voice actress. In Walt Disney's animated films, Gill made a specialty for twenty years of playing hens, including Clara Cluck, The Wise Little Hen and other assorted fowl.

and tbh I think this second sentence has brought me more joy than I'd ever find in the other Florence's twitter so I'm going to stop there

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 6 March 2020 13:33 (four years ago) link

This is spinning out into a bigger, wider employment problem. More than 330 Guardian employees - one fifth of the workforce - have signed a letter to editor Kath Viner expressing concerns about the recent pieces on trans issues. https://t.co/MCcmq2iNyw

— Mark Di Stefano (@MarkDiStef) March 7, 2020

calzino, Saturday, 7 March 2020 00:28 (four years ago) link

Well they've been trying to cut staff for years. Maybe this is all part of the plan.

the pinefox, Saturday, 7 March 2020 12:32 (four years ago) link

Spacecadet is so right -- the Clara Cluck biography puts the controversy of the day in its place.

the pinefox, Saturday, 7 March 2020 12:33 (four years ago) link

Totally, considering everyone with even a tenuous link to publishing or journalism knows someone who has been blackballed by a publisher or platform because of existing relationships/conflict of interests with another editor or writer.

santa clause four (suzy), Sunday, 8 March 2020 09:55 (four years ago) link

Justice4Woody

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 09:57 (four years ago) link

As far as reasons go 'my sister says that guy molested me' is a pretty fucking good one

Frederik B, Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:05 (four years ago) link

Her, not me

Frederik B, Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:05 (four years ago) link

if only Woody Allen had some way of making his memoir public without the woke establishment denying him freedom of speech

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:15 (four years ago) link

I absolutely laughed at this

when it dawns on you just how many people have read the ending to 'It' https://t.co/0807SxY0yv

— Wariotifo Classic (@wariotifo) March 7, 2020

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:28 (four years ago) link

“muzzled”.

i mean i know we know this but not getting published is not getting “muzzled”.

Fizzles, Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:33 (four years ago) link

it's almost as if the Graun is deliberately trolling us for clicks

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:36 (four years ago) link

"gaslighting", if you will

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:36 (four years ago) link

in today's priggish, censorious culture would a classic of the canon like If I Did It make it to print?

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:39 (four years ago) link

conflating prudish and homophobic Mary Whitehouse style censorship with a publisher bumping a book by a filthy old nonce is a very dodgy argument.

calzino, Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:40 (four years ago) link

it's just Brendan O'Noes using a nom de plum innit?

calzino, Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:52 (four years ago) link

Moore out.

ShariVari, Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link

Moore out.

ShariVari, Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link

So good you had to say it twice.

This is also real. pic.twitter.com/8jq35GXzdm

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) March 8, 2020

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:40 (four years ago) link

People you were surprised and disappointed to find out were still alive

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link

Anyway cheers for the dn Suzanne, sorry that other people's human rights drove you to psychedics

The Psychedic Terfs (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:54 (four years ago) link

The Spectator has got your back tho, maybe get a gig with them, your values seem to align

The Psychedic Terfs (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link

psydechics with ernie reyes jr tbh

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:58 (four years ago) link

Dammit that wd've been better

No wait

The Psychedic Terfs (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link

There we go

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link

sorry, just off to write a graphic novel about Suzanne's psychedelic terf odyssey

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:02 (four years ago) link

nice

calzino, Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:12 (four years ago) link

not just the Spectator that has her back, Irvine Welsh was one of her other apologists last night

calzino, Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:18 (four years ago) link

She’ll probably end up there. Saw Alex “Petain was underappreciated” Mass13 sneering out his support for her.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:32 (four years ago) link

This is not as serious as the shit that usually clogs up this thread, but still!

What, I wondered, was I doing all this for? Was it worth it simply to spend the evening with a couple we didn’t really like, drink insipid wine and make shallow small-talk about other people we don’t really know or want to spend time with?


I have a trivial personal problem and the guardian are going to pay me to write about it, alongside the legitimate concerns and “section 28: misunderstood?” pieces.

It started with something of an online “cull”. The “friend” who always tried to make her life look like something out of a Boden catalogue with never-ending perfect images of her children along with the nauseating hashtag #blessed.

“lol” (nb this is funny, but pathetic-funny)

i stopped making the effort with the people who leave it to me to initiate every meet-up and nurture friendships that, in the words of Marie Kondo, no longer spark joy. Those who I had to bite my tongue with, who looked at their phone constantly while I was talking to them. Those who cancelled meet-ups one too many times or who I saw out of a sense of obligation and duty rather than want. The friend who said “Have you really?” in an incredulous way after I told her I’d lost weight.

I’m shocked someone like this has friends like this.

Tbh maintaining friendships is hard, and gets more difficult with age, but I’m not sure of the value of this piece when most of us already know this, and certainly if I viewed my most “difficult” friendships as purely transactional I’d have been walking away from people in their hardest times. And vice versa, it goes without saying.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:26 (four years ago) link

There appears to be an almost limitless demand for pieces like that, makes me nostalgic for the glory days of Tanya Gold being disinvited from her friend's wedding in the Guardian comments box.

Matt DC, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:50 (four years ago) link

The real glory days of Max on holiday

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:51 (four years ago) link

which ilxors no longer spark joy

mark s, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:59 (four years ago) link

All goth ILXors iirc.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:00 (four years ago) link

The friend cull article is insane.

If you actually don't value people, don't make an effort to see them. If you do, then maybe do.

That's about it.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 March 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link

pinefox write for the guardian

mark s, Monday, 9 March 2020 16:56 (four years ago) link

He can't. Suzanne Moore is still writing for them.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 07:59 (four years ago) link

Is that confirmed? I thought her incoherent posts meant they had parted ways.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:11 (four years ago) link

yeah I thought she had quit and then spotted her 'not sorry' piece. they really are out to bait.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:13 (four years ago) link


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