END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

(Re Elena Botella response)

Andrea's tweet has taken me several readings to decipher -- too many negatives.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, March 5, 2020 4:46 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

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This is very good and stretches out those tweets that Alfred is pretending not to get.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/03/what-liberal-feminism-leaves-out

xp

what does the tweet mean? xp

that warren conceded meritocracy as valid while bernie believed that the value of a human life has nothing to do with how good they are at making money?

if so, i agree

although maybe i don't, warren was always cagey on this

that tweet sucks

that tweet is very difficult to understand

i changed my registration from unaffiliated to democrat so i can vote in the primary. i had to swear under penalty of perjury that I have not been convicted of buying or selling votes but it was worth it.

you have to read the whole tweet thread for it to make sense but the current affairs essay is a better explication

this essay is also bullshit

At an LGBTQ forum last September, Warren read aloud the names of the transgender women of color who had been killed in 2019. This is a practice “she pledged to do at the Rose Garden if elected” and further “said she would have a young trans person interview her nominee for secretary of education, and her platform includes plans to combat trans discrimination in homeless shelters, the foster system and nursing homes, and a grant program to fund organizations fighting the epidemic of murders.”

This is another quote which I think will make liberal feminists cheer and leftist feminists squirm. The plans are well enough, in theory, although a national housing policy such as the one proposed by Bernie Sanders might go a lot further to help homeless trans people than funding nonprofits to fight discrimination in homeless shelters. But pledging to read the names of murder victims in the Rose Garden…it would certainly bring attention to the plight of trans women of color, but it also seems like rather grotesque performance art, since it presumes that these murders will just keep happening, and at a disproportionate rate to the rest of the population.

... no it doesn't!!!!!!

i also hate that this essay assumes what i, a leftist feminist, will squirm over

At least they just make you swear that you haven't been convicted of buying/selling so you're still in the clear to actually do it.

warren dropped out of the fucking race can you all stop

I got it on the first try but as you all know I am fluent in awkward run on sentences with too many qualifiers

xps re andrea’s tweet

This is very good and stretches out those tweets that Alfred is pretending not to get.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/03/what-liberal-feminism-leaves-out

xp

― xyzzzz__,

Dude, fuck off. I couldn't make sense of that sentence.

The essay is impressively terrible throughout (disclaimer: I tapped out halfway through)

I'd prefer you'd stop hiding behind tweets and reposts and explain what you want.

what is the point of the essay? tell me in the form of a choreographed dance on tik tok--that's the only way i comprehend new information now

i didn't read it but i think it's several thousand words explaining the badness of liberal feminism, which i already know about

yes the conclusions it comes to are... conclusions i’ve already come to that i don’t think warren has to be a lens for

the tweet and essay are both bad. I kept looking for the end of the essay because it just

If the point of the essay is, "Elizabeth Warren is not the standard bearer you're looking for as a feminist," then congrats, dude! You won!

That was... not the point of the essay.

It was very long so you might have missed the last five paragraphs.

(But I can only imagine the reaction if a bunch of Berniebros dismissed an essay defending liberal feminism out of hand.)

Well, it's one view of feminism.

I know you defend Sanders, which is fine, but I didn't know you defended spurious ideas about Warren's commitment to feminism.

It doesn't do that.

The underlying critique is how feminism and corporatism are irreconcilable, which I've heard too as a queer person of color. That's one way of looking at the world, it's true.

i just went back and am pretty sure I read the entire thing. It starts out with a point that I kind of was interested in but then went off in whole another direction, rambled, she made some of her own types of "microagressions" and then went into I guess the real reason of campaigning.

Is Current Affairs like, the mainstream magazine for leftists now?

magazines are edited

To use the double negative approach, she's not unsympathetic to Warren but AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHY.

(But I can only imagine the reaction if a bunch of Berniebros dismissed an essay defending liberal feminism out of hand.)

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, March 5, 2020 5:50 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yo dude wtf are you talking about

i kind of thought it was a college thing but i see nathan j. robinson is older than what I thought.

Bunches of Berniebros had dismissed Warren's candidacy out of hand.

yo dude wtf are you talking about

Who can guess when now we've moved on to the eye-rolling "oh gosh, writing in Current Affairs"? How can you take a woman seriously who writes in such a rag?!

i personally don't know a lot about it. I only see it ever mentioned here. And I noticed Robinson writes things in the Guardian now.

It's on Facebook quoted by my Sanders die-hard friends.

Who can guess when now we've moved on to the eye-rolling "oh gosh, writing in Current Affairs"? How can you take a woman seriously who writes in such a rag?!

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, March 5, 2020 6:01 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

absolutely no one said this

Who can guess now that we've moved into the eye-rolling "oh gosh, xyzzz posts tweets when he should be posting in the film and book threads?"?

i just remember that people here really seemed to like his super long Buttigieg is bad because he went to Harvard (+++ other things )and I totally got caught up in Robinson also being at Harvard.

absolutely no one said this

magazines are edited

awful person imo

Today is a hard day for so many people who love and respect @ewarren and admire her campaign - and I include myself in that.

Elizabeth Warren is a progressive lion, a champion for working families, and her commitment to inclusivity is exemplary. Thank you for being a role model. https://t.co/E9iZzo4Dwt

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) March 5, 2020

worth mentioning that Bernie has never said anything remotely negative about Warren that I can recall

milo you are reading way more shit into my post than is there, but i guess you're a better feminist than me

bernie made a very nice little speech about her