outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

was just reading that.

azar might be the fall guy, but any of them could be responsible. it looks like a management disaster, just incompetent people not even sure about the job they're supposed to do, not realizing (or caring?) that they were actually in charge of certain crucial tasks, or how the organizational mandates of CDC/FDA/HHS overlap

Re: air travel, no idea if it is related to current events, but we just found round trip tickets to LA this summer for $130. I'm going to spend all my savings on health care and toilet paper.

Looking at flights for my sister to come visit me in April, few weeks ago CHI->PHX was $380. Now it's $150.

Paris - Nashville and back currently under €1000 in Business Class with BA at the moment, though two of their staff just tested positive, so roll the dice I guess.

One of the UK’s major airlines has already gone down. Norwegian Airlines is looking shaky.

Airline tickets: buy! buy! buy!

Are you at the end of your rope? Are you dying to get away? The Florida Keys are waiting for you!

If you're out of luck or out of work, we could send you to Johannesburg!

I've got a good friend on Stanford's medical faculty essentially pulled off a flight to Europe and South Africa because the school has apparently more or less grounded all faculty, staff and students.

Bad time to be a Tool fan:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/06/man-with-coronavirus-went-to-packed-rock-concert-at-new-zealand-arena

I see that the U. of Washington Seattle has cancelled all classes for the near future.

Nope. Moved to the internet. We just wrapped up an enterprise Zoom license for the whole campus a couple days ago.

I mean functionally some instructors will be too doddering to successfully conduct class on Zoom but the idea is to continue instruction.

I'm signed up for an education program there that starts at the end of the month and includes an internship in a middle school. I wonder what will happen there. I'm tempted to drop out just to be on the safe side but who knows?

My wife has to go to SXSW (she is hoping it is delayed or cancelled). Almost right after that is when we all go as a family to Maui. Obviously if she were infected in Texas (that would be a great name for an album) she wouldn't know, and might not know for weeks. Likewise all of us in Maui. You can't just not go anywhere forever, so the best we can do is follow the news and see if there was any overt risk to exposure in Austin, or for that matter Maui, then act accordingly when we get home. Which I guess would mean self-quarantine (which would also be a great able title).

But this is all hypothetical, because as of yet there is no more risk for her there than there is for her or us here.

supposedly SXSW's insurance only kicks in if they're *forced* to cancel by like government decree, which is why they're being dicks about it

infected in Texas,
sequestered in Memphis

Hah

I just saw her
in quarantine
just saw her
getting her hands clean
do you know what I mean?

just got back from Illinois
lock the front door, oh boy!
got to sit down, take a self-quarantine

health dept in my county just released info that 140 ppl in the county are currently under quarantine, also news that 350 students from the local university studying abroad in "high risk areas" are being flown back here for quarantine. Had some travel to NYC planned for next month that I was about to cancel, now wondering if its any riskier than where I am now, tbh

At last, ECCCCCCC postponed, that’s a relief

https://dangerousminds.net/content/uploads/images/made/content/uploads/images/mad166printid_TCJp64_465_618_int.jpg

just got back from Illinois
lock the front door, oh boy!
got to sit down, take a self-quarantine

Dinosaur coronas,
infectious like Buck Owens.

Comic con finally postponed till summer.

More like comic-off, right?

Oh whoops missed the earlier post about it. Sorry!

Bad time to be a Tool fan:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/06/man-with-coronavirus-went-to-packed-rock-concert-at-new-zealand-arena

not to be overly pessimistic, but i kind of imagine every large sports or music event on every continent is probably at risk of this right now? seems like you could imagine that headline reappearing again and again.

Yes. I mean the objective here public-health-wise is to slow the spread of disease as much as possible by limiting the raw volume of personal contact happening in areas with incipient outbreaks, but it doesn’t mean that everyone going to a concert with a sick person will get the 28 Days Later disease

Obviously if she were infected in Texas (that would be a great name for an album)

All the infectious live in Texas
And Texas is the place I'd dearly love to be
But all the infectious live in Texas
And that's why I hang my hat in Tennessee

Had a little sore throat, a little congestion this morning. Quarantining myself by virtue of not having a day job but I do wonder if it's irresponsible to go to the gym. My by thinks I'm being ridiculous but I can't figure out how much to worry/"worry" about getting this since neither of us nor my roommate have health insurance.

https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-indiana/indiana-confirms-first-case-of-covid-19

Since (again) the vast majority of people are not seriously at risk (that is, at risk of death, fwiw), I still see no reason to self-quarantine unless you know you've been exposed or truly feel like shit and/are coughing all over the place. On one hand, I've seen people make the argument that the nominally healthy should try to stay that way to help the people who might not be able to help themselves, if this becomes downright disastrous (which nothing like this in recent memory has really been; you never know but I doubt we'll see any great novels about the fabled, feared Covid Years, fingers crossed). On the other hand, getting out and about if you are nominally healthy is a bit like getting your vaccine. Exposure means *immunity*, which means you won't be passing it on to others in the future. This strain, at least.

The Times of Israel: Israel weighs barring Americans, quarantine for Israelis coming back from US

Author Max Brooks:

If the Israelis are on to anything, the movie shows it when they think that any danger, no matter how small, is quite possibly cataclysmic and demands our sharpest attention and dispassionate calculation. To put it bluntly, the only Jewish virtue trumpeted in this film is neuroticism.

Another disappointment. Looks like I wont be going to SXSW either. Sad. Deeply frustrated. But it’s the responsible thing to do. Social distancing is an important way to slow COVID-19 and if you’ve got an elderly or immunocompromised loved one, you know what I mean.

— Max Brooks (@maxbrooksauthor) March 3, 2020

wth

live your life until you get a diagnosis ffs

Or suspect you've been exposed.

Here in Seattle, public health is telling anyone who's sick to please please stay home just in case. I don't know where you are, but I think there's a good chance that what's happening in Seattle is happening elsewhere as well.

Doesn't apply here. There's evidence the non-symptomatic infected can be contagious, so you're not living your life for yourself, but also for everyone you might have contact with over the next couple weeks.

So should everyone just stay home then, indefinitely?

I think if you're in a high risk group, or have people in your immediate life in a high risk group, you should be more cautious than most people. Who all may have it already!

Our neighbors up here in the country are in their mid-70s and she's got heart health issues and I just hugged her a few days ago. Back in Brooklyn, most people I'm around are young(er) and mostly healthy but a lot of us smoke and many of us are uninsured. I was going to visit my parents soon, but they're ALSO in their 70's and my dad has a history of heart trouble. So yeah if you have at-risk people in your life, it could be a lot worse than me personally just having a bad cold for a week.

wth

live your life until you get a diagnosis ffs

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, March 6, 2020 4:22 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

protect mel brooks at all costs imo

The question I haven't really seen answered - and maybe there is no answer yet, which increases anxiety - is how this is significantly different from H1N1, or SARS, or the flu or any similar outbreak from the past couple of decades. I mean, yeah, the virus itself is different, but the world survived those without melting down. What is different this time?

Nope. Wash hands as if you found religion, find alternatives to handshakes, disinfect shared surfaces like doorknobs, avoid mass events, and advocate for/get tested as soon as you suspect contact. Take extra precautions if you regularly interact with the elderly.

South Korea shows the path: drive-thru free testing for everyone. It tells infected when they should self-quarantine, and relieves others from anxiety and permits them to function in the economy. Ideally, every healthcare worker interacting with patients would be tested weekly.

Asymptomatic transition is the key deifference. With sars and h1n1 you got a fever before you could transmit the disease. With this one you can walk around for two weeks or never even know you have it and still be spreading it around.

At this point, if there's one case in your region, there's many.

Don't visit Seattle if there's no cases in your region.

If there's cases in your region, working from home and avoiding large gatherings of people indefinitely will help slow the spread of disease, which improves the ability of the health system to respond to serious cases.

Basically, large events here are being canceled for good reason, it's not to keep us from bleeding from the eyes because we were all at a concert, it's to protect our community as a whole and the most vulnerable and susceptible people in it.

I live in a city with millions of people in it. There are like 10 known cases here. I’m not self-quarantining if I get a cough!

basically, stay home because of this graph:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESas8tHVAAAhr_I?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

There are like 10 known cases here. I’m not self-quarantining if I get a cough!

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, March 6, 2020 1:33 PM (sixteen seconds ago)

stay home if you get a cough anyway ffs

srsly

Yeah, I don't go to the gym if I'm sick, even if it's just a cold, because no one wants me there and I don't want to get anyone sick.

xp Josh:

SARS had a basic reproduction number in the range of 2-4. H1N1, and the seasonal flu have basic reproduction numbers (R0) around 1.5. Estimates for Covid19 hover around 2.3. Some estimates are higher, up to 4.7-6.6 in populations taking no precautions. Covid19 is probably more infectious than SARS, H1N1, or seasonal flu, but not as bad as the 1918 influenza.

SARS had a case fatality rate around 10%, but many mild or nonsymptomatic cases were missed, so the real CFR could be much lower. H1N1 has a CFR around 0.1-0.9%. Seasonal flu is about 0.1%. The best lower bound I've seen for Covid19 is the 0.67% seen in South Korea, which has by far the best medical surveillance of any nation with a large outbreak. Actual CFR seen in Korea will be higher, as there are more critical and serious cases that haven't resolved (to death or recovery), and many cases that may enter those categories. All of these are lower than the 1918 influenza.

In all this, its worth considering that Covid19 has outpaced the related SARS in both cases and deaths, despite far more effective containment efforts. My belief is that when this epidemic is over and statistics are better, Covid19 will be viewed as significantly more infectious than SARS (R0 around 2.5) but with a similar real case fatality rate (CFR around 0.7-1%, much higher in nations with limited or overwhelmed healthcare resources).