woody allen

and here it is as predicted

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2020/03/victory-for-obstinate-wokester-bullies/

also io, can u get me a job at h4ch3tte?

They weren't too happy with me when I left there and that was like 7+ years ago, so I doubt it. :(((((

an Associate Vice President or three is about to be fired so you might find an opening xp

im not that seniorish

i actually applied online for a job there last month *crickets*

I am undecided about all of this. It would have been better to have knowledge about what's in the book before judging the deal, but I also understand why that's not possible. He may have admitted to some things in the book, or, more likely, he may have lied about his past to further his career.

I thought his writings in the New Yorker in the early 2000s were garbage.

he may have lied about his past to further his career.

How do you further your career at 84, when none of your remaining films will be released in America?

Didn't read any 21st century pieces, but his first two collections of humor pieces are good (c 1968-73), as is the later story "The Kugelmass Episode."

also none of this week's brouhaha has to do with what might/could be in the book. nuthin'.

he probably wanted the advance so he could provide for his daughter wife

"The Kugelmass Episode" is a masterpiece. I read it in a short story anthology in the early '90s.

whah ha ha, my sides xp

srsly he's a creep, but they've been married for 23 years

23 years of . . . really something

plus 5 years before marriage

I've not seen many of his C21st films, but went to Midnight In Paris with a longtime friend who, like me, had once been a bigger fan. Half an hour in I turned to her and whispered "omg did you know this was a Kugelmass Episode riff?" and she nodded gleefully

buyable in the US

https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781951627348/apropos-of-nothing/

When Woody is now basically claiming Mia Farrow molested Ronan, I feel fine calling him a pedophile rapist forever from here on.

Never Believe Men

A guy I know interviewed the woman who picked up the book.

“It was really about freedom of speech,” Seaver told JI. “The idea that a corporation or a powerful, wonderful publishing house would simply drop a world-known, great artist because they don’t agree with whatever. It just was unacceptable to me.”

'great artist'... Can't be beastly to the great artists, no? We need to here their unfounded accusations that their ex-girlfriend molested their kid. Think of the artists!

In his book, does Woody Allen explain how he has been unable to direct an even halfway decent movie for a quarter century now? Because if he does, then I'll give it a read.

Those awful censorious publishers who won't publish my short story collection are violating the First Amendment!

It's so insane that this was supposed to come out with the publisher that publishes Ronan Farrow. The book claims his mother molested him! Insinuating that he must have been fucked up by that. Aaaaand Ronan was supposed to stay silent over that, because of 'free speech'? It's perverse.

Journalists have an incredibly blinkered, bothsides-ist idea of "free speech". You say something - someone else says something 100% opposed to it - everyone has free speech! Yay!

Never Believe Men

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:41 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

we're through the looking glass here people

xp wait, what would a none "bothsides-ist" idea of free speech be?

youre reading my intent correctly i'm sure xp

planning to rewatch Zelig this week

I'm really not watching any Woody Allen now. But also after reading the Moses Farrow article last year I think I'll give Mia a miss too.
There are plenty of other films to watch and other books to read.

yeah, it's not like these are the first allegations against mia. the whole situation is sordid and confusing. better not to get involved

yeah I find people who express certainty about what happened in that family truly baffling

The thing is that one daughter claims Woody molested her, and nothing happens, we just don't know enough, separate art and artists.

Then one son says Mia was bad too, and she's dropped immediately, just can't stand it, the whole thing is too sordid to contemplate.

The hypocrisy and sexism is just so massive.

Nobody has been dropped, not Woody, not Mia. Neither will be in financial trouble from this, whether they deserve to be or not. People make personal choices about what art to consume and support. What more should be reasonably expected?

nice strawman you got there Fred

I would honestly expect with the constant drumming of 'Woody Allen has never been convicted! We just don't know!' that there would have been some similar kind of reaction to the allegations against Mia. But I haven't seen it anywhere.

Mia Farrow has never been convicted. We just don't know.

There we are.

probably bc no one takes the allegations against mia v seriously at all?

Apparantly Camaraderie and Treeship do?

Fred needs to join a different drum circle

camaraderie tho says he's not watching allen stuff either. you can't mix and match opinions to get the strawman you want.

my position is: there are a lot of insane allegations about what happened in the family, and there have been since the 90s. Neither Mia nor Woody has made anything worth watching in 20 years. These two things are not necessarily related. I do not care about what happens to either of them going forward.

I'm guessing Camarederie has watched a Woody Allen film in the last 25 years, though, but would be happy to be wrong

There was a decade long free pass for Woody, and after people in the end began turning on him, an article came out that made a lot of people turn on Mia in minutes.

that is not what happened

altho tbh I can't tell if your frame of reference is the general public, the world of film criticism, or ilx - all of which are different

i hate to agree with Fred but I think he's kind of right on that; when did Woody get really dropped by the public? Just a few years ago I feel; like, Blue Jasmine is the last good film of his I'm aware of but he had major distribution up until a few years ago.

idk what do you mean by "the public"? My mom dropped him when the whole soon-yi thing came out, for ex.

Well, part of my frame of reference is that that Brett Stephens article sure got shared by a lot of people I would have expected more of.

people I know went and saw his movies in theaters through Blue Jasmine. after that, I don't know anyone who saw a woody allen movie in a theater.

I don't even know what Brett Stephens article you're referring to.

Mia's alleged treatment of Moses has been publicized previously, if that's what it covers.

I mean, Woody has definitely been dropped, Amazon didn't release his films, he can't get funding to make new ones, actors have come out saying they won't work with him. Which is probably exactly why he has gone on the offensive. And I think it's scary to see that it kinda works on some people.