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MSNBC—the outlet which multiple times likened Sanders' campaign to Nazis—has posted the same tweet twice today about online "ugliness" from purported Sanders supporters.

Zero tweets today about the man who held up a literal Nazi flag at the Sanders rally last night. pic.twitter.com/mu7LVMBYwB

— jordan (@JordanUhl) March 6, 2020

Shocked, shocked that Christian America doesn’t grasp the gravity of anti-Jewish hatred

similarly shocked that MSNBC only cares about "ugliness" from the left

Hey, the eventual told you so is almost as good as having healthcare and not drowning in rising seas.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESdDxG5XYAAeqJV?format=jpg&name=small

Well done on the photo choice.

The Hill also had a story about how Bailey was "running for first dog" and it was "stressful". I love journalism

The centrist lane, the progressive lane, the adorkable lane.

the thing about "well-timed" is that the best possible timing would have been last monday, the second-best would have been any time this week

yup, and the fact that both have blown by is what makes me at least 90% sure it ain't gonna happen at all

When you've been told "fuck you, you're awful" often enough by an opponent's supporters, it makes it a bit harder to stop and say, "you know, you guys are right; I'm fucked up and your guy is God's own truth".

If her dedication to progressive reform did not outweigh her Twitter mentions... yikes.

it's definitely worth undermining the possible future of the vital policies you ostensibly support because some teenagers were mean on the internet.

So, she is supposed to absorb as much abuse as you think fit and count it as nothing? Is that the new rule?

Ideally she's not wasting her time reading Twitter responses.

when was the world ideal?

So, she is supposed to absorb as much abuse as you think fit and count it as nothing? Is that the new rule?

If the candidate/campaign in question routinely condemns said abuse, and it occurs on a platform that's deeply susceptible to both silly hyperbole and outright fakery, then yeah, kinda!

Snake emojis are not abuse and she wanted to be President, a job where you're criticized 24/7 around the globe.

I don't see Bernie's campaign condemning any other candidates for their supporters' racist and anti-Semitic horseshit he and his surrogates have had to endure.

So I looked up the SPUSA nominee and they did a unity ticket with the fuckin Greens.

I wish I could remember which specific commie strain/sect the SPUSA belonged to so I could recall specifically which part of their ideological history I could make fun of them for

They're just straight Eugene Debs-worshiping dem socs

she wanted to be President, a job where you're criticized 24/7 around the globe.

true that. but it does not stop one from considering whether you should endorse that criticism, based on whether you thought it just, or simply abusive. abusive criticism is never likely to earn an endorsement. demanding an endorsement because you thing you 'deserve' it is also a questionable way to extract such an endorsement. this is not practical politics, so much as practical human relations.

So back to what I said - if snake emojis outweigh all of your stated principles... hope President Biden is on board to roll back the bankruptcy bill that he wrote that she got into politics to fight.

it amazes me that you cannot see any reason why such treatment at the hands of Bernie's supporters might, uh, complicate what you see as Warren's clear obligations to you. this reminds me of teenagers who can simultaneously mock their parents and do whatever can they think of to make them miserable, then relying on those same parents to support them, feed them and generally deliver non-stop gratification of their desires, because it is their obligation to do so.

But it doesn't matter - she's out and not up for reelection until 2024 so barring a surprise endorsement her relevance is minor and her mentions can go back to being peaceful.

how gracious of you

Anyway I hope Trump and Biden both die before November

I don’t care if it’s the ‘vid or something else

you cannot see any reason why such treatment at the hands of Bernie's supporters might, uh, complicate what you see as Warren's clear obligations to you

To her stated principles, you mean.

And yes, if "such treatment" "complicated" her support for Medicare For All, I don't think she ever actually cared about it all that much.

she can continue to support her principles within her capacity as US senator, without supporting Bernie. this small fact escapes you. Bernie is not a principle. he's a candidate.

hope President Biden is on board to roll back the bankruptcy bill that he wrote that she got into politics to fight.

Anyway

I've never been so happy hearing my name mispronounced lol what a damn dream ✨ pic.twitter.com/sovDgHqnln

— Anna Burch (@annaisaburch) March 7, 2020

whether you should endorse that criticism

criticism that came from _a portion_ of Sanders' supporters on _Twitter_, the universally agreed-upon pettiest, silliest place on the internet, all while Warren was lobbing pretty sharp criticisms at Bernie on a regular basis *in real life*, all while Sanders himself said absolutely nothing negative about her at all, while actively condemning the former camp.

she can continue to support her principles within her capacity as US senator, without supporting Bernie. this small fact escapes you. Bernie is not a principle. he's a candidate

she sure can! I wonder which of those positions can do more to advance those principles and keep them in the discourse at the very least

I wonder which of those positions can do more to advance those principles...

Well, as senator, she has 1 vote in 100 on actual bills and can introduce legislation, seek co-sponsors, and lobby the other 99 voters. As an endorser she has the capacity to publically state her support for a particular candidate for the presidential nomination of her party. How does one measure 'doing more' and 'doing less' in regard to such disparate positions of power/influence? It beats me.

...and keep them in the discourse at the very least

I doubt the channel of the discourse will be greatly affected by that pebble thrown into its massive flow.

You left out the part of the calculation that factors in "who will be signing or not signing this legislation" and "what agenda does the party leader set."

Right, one senator vs the President, who can say who wields more influence?

Warren is of course free to do whatever she wants and she is under no obligation to anyone. But it's fair to doubt her commitment to her stated principles if she declines to help elect the last remaining presidential candidate with whom she shares a LOT of very difficult-to-accomplish goals just because some people who weren't him were mean on the internet.

xp

xp - Finally, a sensible response. Yes. She definitely should consider those factors in making her decision. Among others.

i don't honestly know what bernie is supposed to do about the ongoing phenomenon of ppl who support him being mean on twitter, considering that twitter is basically just a step or two up from a fuckin' online comments section on youtube or something. considering that bernie didn't know what the term "cancel culture" meant i think he just doesn't really get this stuff. warren's suggestion, that campaigns should hire people to pay attention to their supporters and then intervene whenever someone says something offensive, struck me as interesting but also not really something that would actually work--how are you supposed to respond to everything that's out there? tbh i basically blame twitter for existing.

she can continue to support her principles within her capacity as US senator, without supporting Bernie

Yea, and she could also do both!!! And endorsing her closest and only ideological contemporary left in the race for president of the United fucking States of all things(the same contemporary who supported and urged her to run back in 2016 and has been as gracious and supporting of her and her candidacy as anyone since then) could be a good way of promoting and furthering those principles and interests! Instead of... doing literally nothing and just returning to her position of senator like this race isn't and never happened and won't have major ramifications for the things and groups of people she professes to care about. Because as you pointed out, Bernie is still a candidate for the position which she has conceded running for, and that position is a pretty influential and important one when it comes to passing legislation and promoting policy in this country! Ergo supporting the one guy left who could assume said position to help you accomplish those goals and support those principles on the broadest scale possible with an endorsement... might be a good idea!!!! That's all anyone's saying, no one's in actual proximity to Bernie or his campaign is asking let alone DEMANDING she do anything.

xp Yeah Twitter is the ultimate "no one knows you're a dog on the Internet," that kind of suggestion is ridiculous. If she was frontrunner and a million MAGA Chuds changed their profiles to SLAY KWEEN and started hurling racial abuse someone's supposed to be able to stop that?

the important thing for all of Bernie's supporters to remember is that, no matter what you say on the internet or who you say it to, if that person doesn't know you there are no consequences, nope, not ever, it's like you never said it and nothing ever comes of it.

(I use that example because some of the abusive Bernie Bro media coverage has used MAGAs as evidence - even when they're not pretending to be Bernie supporters and explicitly calling him anti-Semitic slurs)

"all of Bernie's supporters"

Uh huh.

You know most bernie supporters aren't white dudes, let alone white dudes on twitter, right?

It's important to keep trans kids in line with their anger.

I feel like the object lesson of her campaign should be "never hire Hillary 2016 campaign staff."

meanwhile, the NOW is to feminism what those rich fairies at the Human Rights Campaign are to gay rights

The National Organization for Women (NOW) has urged Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren not to endorse Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in the 2020 Democratic race.

In an interview with Associated Press, NOW President Toni Van Pelt urged Warren not too “rush into” anything. “He’s really, as far as we know, done next to nothing for women and for our issues,” the NOW chief claimed.

ftr, I'm not on Twitter and never se tweets apart from those posted here. I do read much of what Bernie's supporters on ilx say. while very little that is said by Bernie's supporters on ilx about Warren is directly abusive toward her, the level of expressed entitlement to the support of all progressives for Bernie and Bernie alone as the one true progressive, and the anger at Warren for not early on bowing to this presumed requirement of fealty to Bernie, so as to boost him before Super Tuesday, when it became clear that Biden was pulling ahead of Bernie in the delegate count, primary wins, and media narrative, was remarkably prominent. Apparently the millions of Democratic voters were not to blame for Bernie's slide, instead Warren was.

And I say all this as someone who will willingly vote for Bernie in favor of Biden, whether the delegate count is close or not by the time mid-May rolls around. That sense of entitlement and anger still runs like a persistent bass note in this thread. It's there. I wish it weren't, but I see it, feel it, and it feels sucky.