outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

Venice has been collapsing for centuries now. Then again, sometimes sinkhole opens in Florida and swallows four houses in as many hours. Collapse is a land of many contrasts.

While Martenson calls himself a scientist in the video’s titles, his claim to the label is, according to him, based on a 1994 PhD from Duke’s Department of Pathology where he specialized in toxicology. While he published scientific research in the ’90s, for at least the last decade Martenson has focused on predicting stagflation and other large shifts in financial markets.

lol

Sanpaku if you had more than a one track mind you might be aware of anything at all on the planet of earth other than your own pitiful survival.

Climate change is of the utmost importance, behind protecting his inheritance.

xp silby:

Absolutely. China, South Korea, and Singapore are about the only countries on the planet that are treating a novel disease with this R0 and this CFR with the requisite concern and national policy. Perhaps Taiwan as well, though they've been spared serious tests by local community transmission disease clusters.

I believe that by late April or early May, you'll have a practical understanding of why China's policy was a very good one when facing this bug.

did I forget to tell you to eat shit and fuck off forever

Nazi fucking freak

Silby, I'm not going away. I'm not going to spend my time insulting a stranger on the internet, either.

well pig let me tell you, it's pretty cathartic

whoa dude chill

about the fash pig swanning around like he's the prince of science? I won't

Uh I'm not Paku's biggest fan but you turned off U Dumb Street and went right down Godwin's Alley

Sanpaku is an ignorant petty authoritarian wannabe brownshirt with a fetish for disaster and an obvious weakness for pseuds and charlatans, it's shocking he hasn't already started a "race science? just asking questions!" thread, I'm sick of his bullshit

I've done PCR DNA amplification in the lab. Not rtPCR, which became prominent out after I left mol bio work. It's plausible to me that the higher complexity of a tripartite test for the three related coronaviruses would have more kinks than the single tube protocols that were published as early as 24 Jan and were endorsed by WHO.

To date, I hadn't seen a plausible explanation for CDC's issues getting a test out. A lab was contaminated? That would have been apparent during verification. I'm curious. I like other people that are curious and thought others might be interested.

Sanpaku I'm not reading the article published by the phrenology, anti-trans hate, and white supremacy blog

so go fuck yourself

By the way, I'm very much in Timothy Snyder's corner on the whole ecofascism question.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you to fuck off

yes but what's your evidence

I'll show you evidence! *balls fists ineffectually*

Sanpaku I'm considering learning to fight so I can kick guys like you in the balls when they come for the Jews and trans kids, what martial art is the best for kicking you in the balls, as an expert in all human fucking knowledge

Ooookkkk

Silby is otm re Quillette. You might as well link a Jordan Peterson op-ed.

or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion

Is this yet another example of ILX taking bad faith interpretation of a user's behavior?

Ehh, probably

how much winking am I supposed to tolerate from this asshole

"Peak Prosperity" my fucking ass

Idc who does what, just saying Quillette is toxic and shouldn't be linked if it can be avoided

silby i fear i may have misgendered you upthread and if so i am really really sorry

Ok piece on Taiwan's response.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-outbreak-taipei-taiwan-china

I've done PCR DNA amplification in the lab

congrats? so have all my 10th graders

Quillette is trash.

just delurking to say that as a former employee of both the scripps institute of oceanography and the lawrence berkeley cyclotron, and as a current science teacher, i feel so much fucking shame and disappointment when i see ppl pay attention to sanpaku's puffed up credentials and jargon. it just means my profession has broadly failed to innoculate ppl against charlatanry.

Hey, look, if it's ever determined that a particular skull shape or jawline predisposes you to coronavirus, Quillette will 100% be first on the case. So why not give them, and those who link and quote their articles, the benefit of the doubt?

itt, admissions of broad failure to innoculate

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy reading Plasmon's inspired takedown of Sanpaku from years past.

Not really down with the occasional demonizing that goes on here.

Also great to see ya back even if fleetingly tlg

Silby: You don't know me. I'm the token lefty in my family. The crazy vegan bicyclist living in a $875 1 bdrm on a street where Norteño music gets loud Friday nights, because I don't need more, and I save where I can. The one who spent more on Warren's campaign last month than I spent on food, and more still at the therapist. I'm the autist without siblings and raised in a retirement community, so my entire childhood was reading. Books nearly killed me going up the outside stairs last move. If you think physically beating a person like me will make the world a better place, perhaps you should question who the goosestepper in our relationship is.

And just as I'm the leftist in my family, I'm the one that reins in alarmists on places like r/climate or r/collapse (which FYI is totally voting for Sanders, we drove out right wingers 3 years ago). Case in point, moderating the alarm when news of this outbreak, as there was no evidence yet of human to human transmission. It was only when papers/stats on the the R0 and CFR came out 3 weeks later that my eyes got wide. So far, my concerns have been paralelled by others who know far more about epidemiology than I do after reading all the pop cultural books by Laurie Garrett, Richard Preston et al.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcJDpV-igjs

pop cultural epidemics

what's wrong with norteño music pendejo

Nothing. Just means I have to turn the audio books up higher.

Burrito otm

I actually dunno if they are but i always wanted to type

Burrito otm

For those curious how Taiwan has been so successful controlling the outbreak (and with little of the coercion seen in mainland China), this is a good read. Especially the 100+ action items in the eSupplement.

Wang et al, 2020, Response to COVID-19 in Taiwan: Big Data Analytics, New Technology, and Proactive Testing. JAMA.

Using mobile phones to verify self-quarantines may rile those who value civil liberties over life. But jeez, they sent their army into support mask factories, and produced 44 M masks before their first confirmed case. It perhaps really helps to have an epidemiologist as national VP.

Sanpaku there’s no reason to take anything you say or link seriously because you’ve got very bad judgment

Stop misleading people on this thread about important shit

For an obsessive it’s astonishing how little you know what you’re talking about

sorry I need to keep touching my face

For the life of me

It'd be easier to just cut off all contact with the outside world for a month.

Latest case in Victoria went to a Vietnamese restaurant up the street from me I even walked past it (on my way to buy fish) a couple of hours before the patient went there.

Vic gov (and I’ll grudgingly admit, the feds) are doing a good job here getting the message out about where people have been whilst emphasising that it’s still safe to go to these places - I may get a bowl of pho there for lunch tomorrow.

Good to hear from the Vic health minister today that anyone who wants a test can have one on request, they’d rather overtest than undertest. I feel somewhat fortunate to be in a country where a shitty government is at least willing to listen to and, by and large, put themselves in the hands of experts (at least on this).