Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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There we go

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link

sorry, just off to write a graphic novel about Suzanne's psychedelic terf odyssey

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:02 (four years ago) link

nice

calzino, Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:12 (four years ago) link

not just the Spectator that has her back, Irvine Welsh was one of her other apologists last night

calzino, Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:18 (four years ago) link

She’ll probably end up there. Saw Alex “Petain was underappreciated” Mass13 sneering out his support for her.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:32 (four years ago) link

This is not as serious as the shit that usually clogs up this thread, but still!

What, I wondered, was I doing all this for? Was it worth it simply to spend the evening with a couple we didn’t really like, drink insipid wine and make shallow small-talk about other people we don’t really know or want to spend time with?


I have a trivial personal problem and the guardian are going to pay me to write about it, alongside the legitimate concerns and “section 28: misunderstood?” pieces.

It started with something of an online “cull”. The “friend” who always tried to make her life look like something out of a Boden catalogue with never-ending perfect images of her children along with the nauseating hashtag #blessed.

“lol” (nb this is funny, but pathetic-funny)

i stopped making the effort with the people who leave it to me to initiate every meet-up and nurture friendships that, in the words of Marie Kondo, no longer spark joy. Those who I had to bite my tongue with, who looked at their phone constantly while I was talking to them. Those who cancelled meet-ups one too many times or who I saw out of a sense of obligation and duty rather than want. The friend who said “Have you really?” in an incredulous way after I told her I’d lost weight.

I’m shocked someone like this has friends like this.

Tbh maintaining friendships is hard, and gets more difficult with age, but I’m not sure of the value of this piece when most of us already know this, and certainly if I viewed my most “difficult” friendships as purely transactional I’d have been walking away from people in their hardest times. And vice versa, it goes without saying.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:26 (four years ago) link

There appears to be an almost limitless demand for pieces like that, makes me nostalgic for the glory days of Tanya Gold being disinvited from her friend's wedding in the Guardian comments box.

Matt DC, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:50 (four years ago) link

The real glory days of Max on holiday

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:51 (four years ago) link

which ilxors no longer spark joy

mark s, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:59 (four years ago) link

All goth ILXors iirc.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:00 (four years ago) link

The friend cull article is insane.

If you actually don't value people, don't make an effort to see them. If you do, then maybe do.

That's about it.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 March 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link

pinefox write for the guardian

mark s, Monday, 9 March 2020 16:56 (four years ago) link

He can't. Suzanne Moore is still writing for them.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 07:59 (four years ago) link

Is that confirmed? I thought her incoherent posts meant they had parted ways.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:11 (four years ago) link

yeah I thought she had quit and then spotted her 'not sorry' piece. they really are out to bait.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:13 (four years ago) link

yep, it still says Suzanne Moore is a Guardian columnist under today's piece.

calzino, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:15 (four years ago) link

UGH

Read the first sentences and fuck’s sake. Why can these fuckers never stop reducing women to their body parts?! I was raised to think that kind of thing was reductive and at best misogynistic. Like, being female is more than your ability to bleed and breed ffs.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:16 (four years ago) link

Like she has literally never got past the self-mythologising and the symbolism and I bet she’s 100% one of those people who used to scoff at people painting with period blood, but now sees that with a fresh respect. I’m sorry, I hate it.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:18 (four years ago) link

i would love to live in a world made only of discourse.


This is a fucking joke, isn’t it? She can’t handle any criticism of her behaviour. This piece and her Amsterdam shite are big, embarrassing tantrums.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:23 (four years ago) link

i would love to live in a world made only of discourse.

Yeah that is a joke. Promise me to haul me off if I ever start spouting nonsense like this, as I'll probably have lost my mind.

Apart from the very true points you already mae Gyac, what also annoys me about her pieces is that they're lathered with this sense of 'last woman standing' faux courage. She's posturing as some self proclaimed Jeanne d'Arc ffs.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:54 (four years ago) link

A Tanya Gold comment piece on the same day, truly our cup runneth over.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:58 (four years ago) link

Are you talking about the Woody Allen piece, because “he wasn’t convicted” is an argument you’d expect to see on Reddit and not being made in earnest by people being paid for their opinions.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 09:05 (four years ago) link

No, something about the Royals that’s probably completely inoffensive other than that it points to the Guardian commissioning Tanya Gold again.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 09:10 (four years ago) link

Is Tanya Gold worse than she used to be?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 09:13 (four years ago) link

What the fuck is with sour terfs and their rush to defend Woody Allen? I thought the whole reason they were terfs was because they were always trying to justify their bigotry by saying they were worried about men raping women and children?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESvkYt-XQAEZ7uw?format=png&name=large

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 14:04 (four years ago) link

I think a lot of it is linked with controversies regarding the no-platforming of certain views.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 14:10 (four years ago) link

“Should small children in poverty be fed?” asks the Guardian. https://t.co/yg3NpmXWmM

— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) March 10, 2020

asking the big questions here so the Taxpayers Alliance don't have to.

calzino, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:28 (four years ago) link

People are dying you self-centred fool

Just want all colleagues I know personally who signed a letter without naming me but linking me to trans people leaving The Guardian (I never go there ) None of you have the guts to talk to me or defend free expression. You are entitled to disagree with me as I am to name you.

— suzanne moore (@suzanne_moore) March 18, 2020

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 13:03 (four years ago) link

finger on the pulse as always

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link

Apparently she’s saved ‘abusive’ DMs from a colleague she’s allowing her followers to think is OJ.

A good friend of mine is friends with her on FB and he says all her social media acolytes respond to self-pitying status updates with the most sick-making level of arse-kissing he’s ever seen.

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 13:49 (four years ago) link

Gosh, can’t believe terfs are ok with the bit of casual homophobia. Totally out of character.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 13:57 (four years ago) link

As far as I can see, that tweet is illiterate.

This person is a long-standing professional writer.

(Leaving aside, as Gyac says, the utter irrelevance of the complaint at this time of seemingly unprecedented global disaster. Astounding.)

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 14:07 (four years ago) link

Blame the psychedics

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 14:14 (four years ago) link

Psychedelics are supposed to obliterate the ego

plax (ico), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:21 (four years ago) link

Some people need bigger doses than others I guess

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:33 (four years ago) link

Some people are bigger doses...

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link

Bingo

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link

New development! I am reliably informed that SM has a little list... and uploaded it so all her FB friends could see it and kiss her arse harder,

santa clause four (suzy), Thursday, 19 March 2020 12:18 (four years ago) link

There's a grim fascination in how their actions undercut their arguments

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 March 2020 12:49 (four years ago) link

"I'm not hateful, I'm speaking my mind" *continues to do hateful shit*

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 March 2020 12:50 (four years ago) link

having a normal one pic.twitter.com/v5KaU1eRW5

— Cynical Bathtub (@cynical_bathtub) March 19, 2020



The only comment I have to add to this is deeply libellous ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 19 March 2020 15:18 (four years ago) link

It's amazing that she keeps hammering the fact that she never goes to the Guardian offices, as if that's going to make trans employees any less uncomfortable about working there.

Even more amazing that she thinks this looks like anything other than a monumental self-indulgence at this particular time.

Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2020 15:29 (four years ago) link

Once again, this professional writer cannot write.

Otherwise: reminiscent of Father Ted collecting his Golden Cleric award.

the pinefox, Thursday, 19 March 2020 15:30 (four years ago) link

Oh the irony.

Matt DC, Thursday, 19 March 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link

xp 😅

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 March 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link

Sarah D*tum all snippy about being a better writer than the signatories in the letter and OH WELL THEY WON’T COMMISSION ME NOW.

Babe, I’ve seen more literate FB hunnis and Twitter reply guys in just a random hour of social media use.

santa clause four (suzy), Thursday, 19 March 2020 17:27 (four years ago) link

Suzy's right!

the pinefox, Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:24 (four years ago) link

I looked at the document as a useful guide to cool commissioning editors.

santa clause four (suzy), Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:32 (four years ago) link

I looked at the document as a useful guide to cool commissioning editors.

santa clause four (suzy), Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:32 (four years ago) link


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