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Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 15 March 2020 03:11 (four years ago) link

The economy was grinding to a halt. Stocks were in free fall. Schools were closing. Public events were being canceled. New cases of the novel coronavirus were popping up across the country.

And then, on Wednesday, the day the World Health Organization designated the coronavirus a pandemic, Jared Kushner joined the tumult.

President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser — who has zero expertise in infectious diseases and little experience marshaling the full bureaucracy behind a cause — saw the administration floundering and inserted himself at the helm, believing he could break the logjam of internal dysfunction.

Kushner rushed to help write Trump’s widely panned Oval Office address to the nation. His supermodel sister-in-law’s father, Kurt Kloss, an emergency room doctor, crowdsourced suggestions from his Facebook network to pass along to Kushner. And Kushner pressed tech executives to help build a testing website and retail executives to help create mobile testing sites — but the projects were only half-baked when Trump revealed them Friday in the White House Rose Garden.

What you need to know about coronavirus

Kushner entered into a crisis management process that, despite the triumphant and self-congratulatory tone of public briefings, was as haphazard and helter-skelter as the chaotic early days of Trump’s presidency — turning into something of a family-and-friends pandemic response operation.

The administration’s struggle to mitigate the coronavirus outbreak has been marked by infighting and blame-shifting, misinformation and missteps, and a slow recognition of the danger. Warring factions have wrestled for control internally and for approval from a president who has been preoccupied with the beating his image is taking.

White House senior adviser Jared Kushner prepares for a television interview on the North Lawn on Jan. 29. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
White House senior adviser Jared Kushner prepares for a television interview on the North Lawn on Jan. 29. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
The scramble for solutions is occurring in an overriding atmosphere of trepidation of saying something that Trump might perceive as disloyal and of fear that their fumbles could cost the president his reelection in November.

“The problem is no one is sure who is in charge,” a senior administration official said. “Unless someone comes to you and says, ‘I was with the president five minutes ago,’ and you know they’re telling the truth, getting irreversible direction is a little difficult.”

This portrait of Trump and his administration’s management of a pandemic that in a few short days has completely altered American life is based on interviews with 19 senior administration officials and other people briefed on the internal deliberations, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to share candid assessments.

Oversold and inflated
In a bid to produce swift action, Kushner helped orchestrate a Rose Garden event Friday that he hoped would rally Wall Street at the close of a brutal week of trading, but the administration’s marquee announcements were not fully formed.

The news conference had the intended immediate effect, fueling a rise in the stock markets before they closed at 4 p.m. But things unraveled from there once it became clear the picture of progress that Trump presented to the public was, at best, considerably inflated.

Trump says he will partner with private sector to expand coronavirus testing but details are sketchy

Trump announced that Google was developing a website — “It’s going to be very quickly done, unlike websites of the past,” he said — where Americans can input their symptoms, find out if a test is necessary and then be directed to a testing site near their homes.

“We have many, many locations behind us, by the way,” the president said.

But Google clarified the president’s broad proclamation with a statement narrowing the scope of its project, explaining that its sister company Verily was only “in the early stages of development,” with a planned roll out first in the San Francisco Bay area, but “with the hope of expanding more broadly over time.”

There is some confusion inside the administration about how quickly the Bay Area pilot could be ready and anxiety that the president might under deliver on his promises. One White House official said they are optimistic they can begin scaling up in hard-hit states quickly.

President Trump declares a national emergency in response to the coronavirus at a Rose Garden news conference on Friday. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
President Trump declares a national emergency in response to the coronavirus at a Rose Garden news conference on Friday. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
This was not the only plan Trump oversold. His vow that Americans could go to testing sites in places like their local Walmart parking lots was premature. Several key participants said the plans were overstated, including the timetable and number of sites.

Some state and federal health workers — who would be responsible for performing the tests — were caught by surprise, although a White House aide said administration officials were on the phone throughout Friday with some state and local officials in virus hot spots to discuss plans for new testing locations.

In addition, representatives from CVS, Target, Walgreens, Walmart and other retailers said after Trump’s announcement that they still did not yet know exactly how the tests would be administered or other basic details, including when or where they would begin.

Trump is breaking every rule in the CDC’s 450-page playbook for health crisis

Trump, habitually in salesman mode, has long had a tendency to overpromise and overhype deals he is announcing, whether for a new condo development or bilateral trade.

Nonetheless, some White House officials still remained optimistic that by Sunday night, they would have a clearer plan to present to the public. Still others griped that the president and his team had yet again gotten ahead of themselves, bungling a potentially positive development.

“Neither one of the announcements were ready for prime time,” said another senior administration official. “People wanted news to announce.”

President Trump meets with bank executives about the coronavirus outbreak in the Cabinet Room on Wednesday. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
President Trump meets with bank executives about the coronavirus outbreak in the Cabinet Room on Wednesday. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Friday’s announcement was a positive, if tentative, step, noting that Kushner told him he had “cold called” some of these companies to solicit help.

“Jared has the confidence of the president,” Graham said. “He’s the right arm of the president in terms of reporting to the president and keeping the system moving.”

Graham said that after speaking Friday night with Trump and Kushner, as well as first lady Melania Trump, the president had gotten past some of his frustrations with news coverage of the coronavirus and was “all in” on developing mitigation plans. Still, Graham said, “There’s a long way to go, and it’s going to get worse before it gets better.”

'An ad hoc free-for-all'
The severity of the crisis came into sobering relief for administration officials late in the week when Deborah Birx, a physician and ambassador who is serving as the White House’s coronavirus response coordinator, presented a statistical model predicting a large uptick in cases in the United States over the subsequent five to seven days. The model showed that the coronavirus likely would continue to infect many Americans for at least two months.

Birx joined the West Wing two weeks ago as an adviser to Vice President Pence, who leads the coronavirus task force. Each day — including some weekends — Pence convenes an afternoon meeting of roughly 20 officials in the White House Situation Room, and about 10 more in an overflow room.

Ten minutes at the teleprompter: Inside Trump’s failed attempt to calm coronavirus fears

The task force meetings often last about 2½ hours. At best, they have been forums to suggest and debate a broad range of ideas, from disease mitigation to public communications. At worst, they have been dens of discord, with officials with varying portfolios feuding over policy or even simply power and position. The mood has turned especially tense over frustrations with testing delays.

Vice President Pence and members of the coronavirus task force hold a news conference in the White House press briefing room on Tuesday. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Vice President Pence and members of the coronavirus task force hold a news conference in the White House press briefing room on Tuesday. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Few decisions are made in these meetings, however. Trump has only occasionally attended, usually when Pence requests his time. Neither Kushner nor his wife, Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter and also a senior White House adviser, has attended — though Kushner’s focus is now on the coronavirus and he has assembled many of his allies in the government to assist.

The West Wing these past few weeks has felt like the early days — brimming with chaos, beset by backbiting, and now populated by return characters. Hope Hicks, the former communications director and Trump confidante, is back, this time as a top aide to Kushner. Hicks has been involved in the coronavirus response, as have Kushner deputy Avi Berkowitz and Adam Boehler, another Kushner ally who is chief executive of the U.S. International Development Finance Corporation.

Trump is between chiefs of staff — acting chief Mick Mulvaney is transitioning out while Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) prepares to replace him — and the lack of a forceful gatekeeper has led to the president conducting decision-making as he prefers: With upward of a half-dozen aides and advisers in the Oval Office, all scrambling to perform for him as they await his decisions, which sometimes depend on his mood.

“People just show up in the Oval and spout off ideas,” said a former senior administration official briefed on the coronavirus discussions. “He’ll either shoot down ideas or embrace ideas quickly. It’s an ad hoc free-for-all with different advisers just spitballing.”

Outgoing acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, left, and incoming chief of staff Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) attend President Trump’s meeting with Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar in the Oval Office on Thursday. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Outgoing acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, left, and incoming chief of staff Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) attend President Trump’s meeting with Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar in the Oval Office on Thursday. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
One White House official defended this practice, arguing that it was an example of the president being decisive in a moment of crisis.

But Leon Panetta, who has served as White House chief of staff, defense secretary and CIA director for past Democratic presidents, said this was the opposite of the kind of steady, methodical and fact-based process necessary to successfully manage crises.

“It’s a game of ambivalence at a time of great uncertainty, and the last thing you need is this kind of ambivalence,” Panetta said. “It really is a very convoluted process because this president is not somebody who wants it to be organized or requires the best information possible.”

'I don't take responsibility at all'
Although Trump is the final decision-maker, as his aides are quick to remind people, a number of principals — including Pence, Kushner, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow, Domestic Policy Council Director Joe Grogan and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield — operate as power centers with their own fiefdoms. They compete with one another over ideas, often developed by their own staffs, and at times move to undercut rivals in meetings.

Grogan, for instance, has privately been agitating to try to expedite testing and warning about both the health and political ramifications of the outbreak.

There also have been tensions between the White House press and communications staff and Pence’s team, which has been overseeing most of the administration’s public messaging on the coronavirus. Stephanie Grisham, who holds three titles — White House press secretary, White House communications director and communications director to the first lady — has played a secondary role during the biggest crisis of Trump’s presidency, in part because of a directive that everything be routed through the vice president’s office.

Some White House communications and press aides — some of whom already were sensitive because Trump recruited a pair of outsiders, Tony Sayegh and Pam Bondi, to help manage the communications strategy on impeachment — largely refused to help the vice president’s overwhelmed staff, at least initially.

Senior officials and members of the task force also said they have to spend significant chunks of their day dealing with leaks, especially as officials try to escape blame for the testing issues that have plagued the administration’s response for weeks.

President Trump and Vice President Pence meet with health insurance executives about the coronavirus in the Roosevelt Room on Tuesday. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
President Trump and Vice President Pence meet with health insurance executives about the coronavirus in the Roosevelt Room on Tuesday. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Among those seeking to avoid such blame is the president himself. Asked at Friday’s news conference whether he accepts responsibility for the continued shortage of test kits, Trump said, “No, I don’t take responsibility at all.”

“The whole country is shutting down,” Panetta said. But Trump, he added, “tries to feel his way through these crises and it’s almost a political approach, or better yet a reality TV approach, which is, ‘How is this crisis damaging my image?’ ‘How bad is it going to get?’ ‘Can I talk my way out of it?’ And, ‘Can I avoid having to take responsibility?’ ”

Friday morning, Adm. Brett Giroir, a doctor and assistant health secretary, was announced as a testing czar, serving as a point person on virus testing, and coordinating between the CDC, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and private companies and labs. His appointment underscored various communication breakdowns among the various agencies.

For Trump, the coronavirus crisis is all about the numbers — and they don’t look good

There is a fixation both inside the administration and in the media on testing numbers — how many tests are available, how many people have been tested, how many individuals have the virus — and Giroir will work to streamline which numbers are used and ensure that they’re accurate.

'We'll practice that'
Kushner was enlisted partly at the request of Pence’s chief of staff, Marc Short, who went to his office at the beginning of the week to ask for help wrangling the entire White House staff to prioritize the coronavirus response.

To that end, Chris Liddell — who works closely with Kushner and is the White House deputy chief of staff for policy coordination — has begun organizing various meetings and working groups. He is expected to sometimes lead a premeeting before the full task force meeting each afternoon, which one White House official said would hopefully help streamline the process.

And for all the problems with his Rose Garden news conference, Trump did manage to achieve one of his key goals: to halt the plunge in the stock markets. The Dow Jones industrial average shot up sharply near the end of the trading day as Trump declared a national emergency and turned his lectern over to a parade of industry chief executives to offer reassuring statements.

Bruce Greenstein of the LHC Group offers President Trump an elbow bump in place of a handshake at Friday’s Rose Garden news conference, as Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and Vice President Pence look on. (Kevin Lamarque/Reuters)
Bruce Greenstein of the LHC Group offers President Trump an elbow bump in place of a handshake at Friday’s Rose Garden news conference, as Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and Vice President Pence look on. (Kevin Lamarque/Reuters)
Trump’s remarks grew more freewheeling just after the markets closed, when he took questions from reporters — including dismissing one by PBS’s Yamiche Alcindor as “nasty.”

Birx also figured prominently at the news conference, where she held up a large poster explaining how the new testing website would theoretically work. Pence and Kushner personally worked with digital staffers to design the graphic elements of the poster.

Trump defiant on handshakes and testing even as third Mar-a-Lago case emerges

The optics of the news conference conveyed mixed messages. While Trump sought to show command, he became a public example for poor practices. After being exposed to people who have tested positive for the coronavirus, Trump all week refused to get tested himself, but announced Saturday he had been tested overnight Friday. (On Saturday night, his physician released a statement saying Trump did not have the novel coronavirus.)

Instead of displaying social distancing Friday afternoon, he closely surrounded himself on the Rose Garden platform with other people, shared a lone microphone with them, and shook hands with an array of executives.

Only one industry leader — Bruce Greenstein, a home health care services executive — tried to demonstrate the behavior advised by public health experts; when Trump leaned in for a handshake, he instead offered an elbow bump.

The president obliged, but seemed slightly taken aback. “Oh, we’ll practice that,” Greenstein quipped.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 15 March 2020 03:40 (four years ago) link

At this point, even ginning up a nice foreign war with Iran isn't going to turn this around for Trump. This is shaping up as the equivalent of fighting a war on US soil and conspicuously losing it.

I can't fathom how his approval rating could avoid falling like a stone over the next two or three months, but he's weaseled his way out various minor catastrophes so far. We'll soon see how he manages with a major catastrophe. God knows I've been wrong about his prospects many times before.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 15 March 2020 03:57 (four years ago) link

It had already been falling the last few weeks.

It should take a hit, who knows how far

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:09 (four years ago) link

The downward trend has been fairly minimal so far as I can see. When the numbers of sick and dead surge and the unemployment rate rapidly jumps by a couple percent, the polls should be a better reflection of the emerging reality.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:18 (four years ago) link

It almost seems like Jared Kushner wouldn’t be in the position he is unless he was related to the president’s daughter

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:35 (four years ago) link

Jared is her brother? I knew it

Evan, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:38 (four years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/iotVzKM.jpg
mulvaney and meadows.

who among us is not confident

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:48 (four years ago) link

wait, why do they both have cilantro in their jacket pockets?

Fetchboy, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:57 (four years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/tweQPYX.jpg

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:57 (four years ago) link

trump is like "hand me all of your cilantro"

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:58 (four years ago) link

the hummel. give it to me.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 05:29 (four years ago) link

i am going to stare at the sun and count to ten. and when i am done, i want fresh greens in my suit pockets

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 March 2020 05:35 (four years ago) link

Passengers waited in line for hours at customs at @DFWAirport. Many concerned about being so close to others during the #COVIDー19 outbreak. The airport saying “CBP officers and the CDC are following federal guidelines to conduct enhanced screening for passengers” @FOX4 pic.twitter.com/4BFUEau0Hg

— Steven Dial (@StevenDialFox4) March 15, 2020

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 March 2020 05:45 (four years ago) link

This is the horde of people awaiting health inspections after international flights into @fly2ohare in Chicago. A social-distancing nightmare! (Shared with me by someone in Chicago) pic.twitter.com/hOywwvaWR8

— David Enrich (@davidenrich) March 15, 2020

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 March 2020 05:46 (four years ago) link

the "we're just following CDC guidelines" canard is very Brazil

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 March 2020 05:47 (four years ago) link

That seems far from ideal.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 15 March 2020 05:48 (four years ago) link

John Mixon, 86, a retired law professor, said he waited nearly two hours at Kennedy International Airport after arriving from Amman, Jordan, missing his connecting flight to Houston because of the slow screening process.

Mr. Mixon said he and his wife were shuffled into a packed room with more than 100 others for hours before a few C.D.C. officials came in and asked everyone if they had been to China or Italy. Only one man raised his hand, and everyone else was told they could leave after getting their temperatures taken, Mr. Mixon said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/world/coronavirus-news.html

i guess...i'm glad they're trying to some sort of screening now...
?

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 March 2020 05:50 (four years ago) link

not looking forward to flying home from Querétaro through Houston on Monday

Dan S, Sunday, 15 March 2020 05:55 (four years ago) link

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— Chuck Tingle (@ChuckTingle) March 14, 2020

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 15 March 2020 08:01 (four years ago) link

mvp

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 15 March 2020 09:17 (four years ago) link

Florida's in trip digits: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241206241.html

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 09:56 (four years ago) link

Outbreak Seine-Saint-Denis style


Même certains dealers du département semblent désormais prendre leurs précautions face à leurs nombreux clients.

« A la cité, ils jettent les barrettes de shit aux clients et il faut laisser l'argent par terre », jurait hier un client rencontré dans un café à Pantin.

Joey Corona (Euler), Sunday, 15 March 2020 11:21 (four years ago) link

Joke's on them, in Canada you can order weed online legally, 100% human contact-free.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Sunday, 15 March 2020 12:19 (four years ago) link

There was plenty of panic buying of ice in the alley behind woolies this afternoon. However our local dealers don’t seem to have adopted any new protocols.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 15 March 2020 12:22 (four years ago) link

Teaneck NJ told to self-quarantine (just across the bridge from NYC)

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/bergen/teaneck/2020/03/14/coronavirus-nj-teaneck-mayor-asks-all-residents-self-quarantine/5051974002/

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 13:55 (four years ago) link

Um, if you are only allowed to go out for food and necessary supplies, who do you get that food and those supplies from?

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 March 2020 13:58 (four years ago) link

I guess maybe you can go over to the next town over, if it isn’t quarantined (yet)

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:00 (four years ago) link

Maybe they expect workers to quarantine themselves in their shops and restaurants?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:07 (four years ago) link

quite an expectation

Jerseyans will drive to the next town til they keel over

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:31 (four years ago) link

Apparently there were just over 3700 people on the Diamond Princess which is about as close to a petri dish as you can get. Only 696 people have been confirmed with the virus and seven of them have died.

In those conditions so far that's an infection rate of around 18% and a mortality rate of around 1% with a heavily ageing population.

I've no idea if the number of cases among those people is continuing to climb and how quickly but that's actually faintly reassuring?

Matt DC, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:04 (four years ago) link

so, Fauci seems like he's doing an ok job with this, all things considered. Is he like the only competent person in the administration?

akm, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:18 (four years ago) link

He's amazing

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:18 (four years ago) link

i fear he's gonna have a derogatory nickname by the time this is all over, sadly, but yes it's been nice to have one person on-stage who has command of the facts

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:20 (four years ago) link

Speaking as a lifelong NJ resident, we don't really need Teaneck for anything. The Isley Brothers did all their good work in the 70s.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:24 (four years ago) link

A friend of my parents is a nurse in E Tennessee. He says there are no tests available yet in primary care settings in TN. He says only the Dept of Health will do them and even then you basically have to be dying to get one. He expects that to change in the next week.

He sent this JAMA video. A doctor tells the story about what happened in Lombardy, right from the beginning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKS1pahoPRU

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link

fauci is a boss, long been an admirer

gbx, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:35 (four years ago) link

Speaking as a lifelong NJ resident, we don't really need Teaneck for anything. The Isley Brothers did all their good work in the 70s.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, March 15, 2020 12:24 PM (eighteen minutes ago)


I know at least a few top jazz musicians live there, but perhaps they are not on your radar.

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:46 (four years ago) link

Very simple but effective animated models here to see how social distancing and isolation slows and flattens down the curve.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link

In Holland: Schools, pubs, restaurants, sports- and fitness, swimming pools, sports. All closed/shut down for 3 weeks.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link

I did a bunch of work for NIH in the 90s; I've always liked Fauci (then at NIAID). He's only "in the administration" by accident; his stature is such that he will always be at or near the top of his field, no matter who the president is.

love will keep us apart (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:54 (four years ago) link

on loop pic.twitter.com/jju154tAb6

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lag∞n, Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:07 (four years ago) link

It sounds like the Governor of NY is ... not happy that people are congregating at bars right now.

Ainsley James Gryffyd Lowbeer Holdsworth (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link

Speaking as a lifelong NJ resident

This explains a lot

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:17 (four years ago) link

Italy at 1809 deaths, 24 747 cases. 7.3%. Keep expecting that CFR to fall.

Sanpaku, Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:35 (four years ago) link

If you’re looking for a textbook example of panoptic asymmetry, here it is: A Big Brother season in Germany where the participants have not been told about corona and won’t be unless someone gets sick. It’s unbearably literal. https://t.co/OfvSjHX2ex

— Yuliya Komska (@ykomska) March 14, 2020

ymo sumac (NickB), Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link

basically have to be dying to get one. He expects that to change in the next week.

I'm starting to think that this change will coincide with Infrastructure Week.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:50 (four years ago) link

All pubs in Ireland to close until the end of the month.

End of days

groovypanda, Sunday, 15 March 2020 18:07 (four years ago) link


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