outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

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people are voting in your state right now.

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 22:43 (four years ago) link

the alternative to social distancing is extensive testing, which, uh, we're also not doing.

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 22:44 (four years ago) link

Oh, I'm not even talking about people out voting (apparently lots of polls struggled for judges). I'm just talking about all the people I saw out and about. Fewer than usual, sure, but certainly not all taking extra or any precautions. For every group I saw standing conspicuously far apart from one another, there was a group of teens clustered as usual. On the plus side, despite St. Patrick's I didn't really see much action around all the nearby Irish bars.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 22:46 (four years ago) link

if I'm understanding this correctly, this virus was probably here a month earlier than previously thought, and there are probably tens of thousands of people who have contracted it and recovered without really knowing anything was up?

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 22:49 (four years ago) link

Schools, gyms, pubs, workplaces all still open as normal. I won’t be changing my behaviours, with the exception of keeping away from anyone old or vulnerable. How am I going to catch it if I don’t go out? 🤷‍♀️

— Nikki Hesford (@NikkiHesford) March 17, 2020



Oh god

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 22:52 (four years ago) link

It's just dawned on me that we're probably only days away from the first TV advert heartwarmingly referencing social distancing.

I'd like to apologise in advance for my murderous rampage.

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:18 (four years ago) link

Please confine you rampage to you own four walls #socialddistancing

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:21 (four years ago) link

my sister had a virus that involved a high fever, trouble breathing, lungs aching from coughing several weeks ago

I’m pretty sure it was influenza b, but she’d been traveling to DC so who knows?

mh, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:35 (four years ago) link

It's just dawned on me that we're probably only days away from the first TV advert heartwarmingly referencing social distancing.

I'd like to apologise in advance for my murderous rampage.


They should get the Jess Phillips one from the deliveroo ad for maximum awful

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:40 (four years ago) link

My 5 year old niece lives in NJ and has pneumonia. She's been tested for covid--just as a precaution, they said--and my brother says they'll have results in 3-4 days. I'll post here when I hear back

In other news, I have a friend on Twitter who insists she is going to yoga tonight

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:45 (four years ago) link

there are already quite a few covid podcasts out there. I loved this tweet, though I should say I am also a podcaster, of a sort.

I know this time of self isolation is hard and scary for people but however bad you are feeling- please, please don’t consider starting your own podcast

Straight men under the age of 35 are particularly vulnerable to this and we all need to be vigilant of the dangers x

— Nicola Coughlan (@nicolacoughlan) March 16, 2020

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 23:50 (four years ago) link

DW: Iran, its dire.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 03:12 (four years ago) link

supposedly the US had 1,748 new cases yesterday, as opposed to 983 the day before.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 04:17 (four years ago) link

should be thought of exclusively as new proven/reported cases, of course

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 05:08 (four years ago) link

of course. it's just like when in Jurassic Park when they only found the 'extra' dinosaurs when they started looking for them.

hard to tell how much is true exponential increase vs people who were already infected who just hadn't been tested prior.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 05:10 (four years ago) link

one kind of obvious thing i've been thinking about, and was just reminded of in the bold part above - is this the first time that a crisis has hit pretty much the entire world at the same time? speaking of WWII, maybe that was the last global-scale event of this nature?

AIDS

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 11:12 (four years ago) link

Toba supervolcano at 75 ka. The years 536-542: Icelandic volcano + Illopango volcano + Plague of Justinian. Black death of 1346-1353. Great Influenza of 1918.

WWII was perhaps the last global event of this magnitude, but there were places like Latin America and Subsaharan Africa where it mostly effected trade. Whereas the Great Influenza of 1918 was devastating pretty much everywhere, on all inhabited continents, and from Polynesia to remote Inuit villages.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 12:28 (four years ago) link

Wales to shut all schools from Friday

groovypanda, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 13:19 (four years ago) link

The 1918 pandemic was so lethal precisely because of the conditions created by the First World War, right? Would it have been anywhere near as virulent if it had occurred in peacetime?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 13:54 (four years ago) link

According to Crisanti, the director of the virology lab of U Padua, as little as 10% of #COVID2019 carriers show any symptoms at all. He sampled repeatedly the entire 3k+ population of Vo ', one of the initial clusters.

I'm struggling with a lot of the data tbh but if this is correct, and the data on negative testing is also correct, it suggests that 10% of people who have coronavirus think they do and 90% of the people who think they have coronavirus (or at least, have reason to be tested for it) don't.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 14:25 (four years ago) link

Does this just behave incredibly differently to other similar viruses or is it broadly common for a lot of carriers to be asymptomatic?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 14:28 (four years ago) link

1918/1919 pandemic was likely spread from large amounts of people moving around the world in unsanitary conditions on a scale not seen before - however the media blackout about it made it much worse - Spain was the only western country freely reporting it, hence the name.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 14:31 (four years ago) link

Importantly, most died during the 1918 pandemic of bacterial pneumonia. That was decades before antibiotics.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 14:34 (four years ago) link

xxp Typhoid Mary is the most famous asymptomatic carrier! But tl;dr it’s very common with viruses

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymptomatic_carrier

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 14:35 (four years ago) link

DV, a former ILXOR, had a blog on "WWI 100 years ago"*, which had a category for the flu - definitely worth a read. TL;DR the war didn't help, but the initial outburst just hospitalised a lot of people - the second wave was a mutation that killed.

https://ww1live.wordpress.com/tag/spanish-influenza/

* an ideal accompaniment to being housebound for any period of time, particularly if you want to feel less miserable about your fate.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 14:38 (four years ago) link

The information about asymptomatic carriers is one of the most confusing aspects right now, and the way it is being shared, even by the most intelligent health experts, is not helping at all.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 14:48 (four years ago) link

xps:
It's generally believed late-war famine in Germany, Austro-Hungary, and civil-war torn Russia contributed to lethality of the 1918 influenza. But the worst mortality rates were actually places facing influenza for the first time, up to 22% in Western Samoa and among the Inupiaq people (their village of Nome lost 90%), places largely untethered to global politics or food supplies. The Alaska territory administration was posting armed guards to prevent traders and fur hunters from penetrating inland. So, malnutrition + global transit + absence of immunity to related diseases

Worth noting in this context that the most common comorbidity in Italian ICU patients is obesity (in Wuhan, it was hypertension followed by cardiovascular disease and diabetes).

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 14:50 (four years ago) link

yeah I was wondering about that

time for that crash diet (n.b. not *obese* as such, just...not quite what you'd want)

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:02 (four years ago) link

It would be great if we all learned a lot of lessons when this is done, about diet, personal health, emergency preparedness, and so on. I mean, we won't, but it would be great if we did.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:04 (four years ago) link

not sure where to put this really:

Cambridge University Press has just made all 700 textbooks currently available in HTML format on Cambridge Core free to access until the end of May to assist readers during the Covid-19 outbreak. This also includes 58 textbooks in Language and Linguistics. https://t.co/TFhUaANkXE

— Michelle Sheehan (@MiShee54) March 17, 2020

mark s, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:05 (four years ago) link

Ha, I was gonna link to exactly that, with the exact same "don't know where to put this", but didn't because it was down due to too much traffic earlier.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:06 (four years ago) link

good opportunity to finally do my course* properly amirite

*or a different, better one

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:07 (four years ago) link

also big up to MIT Open Courseware (watch free courses) https://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

and this old reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ecscwk/what_free_things_online_should_everyone_take/

Yerac, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:09 (four years ago) link

FYI lj the uk gov only lists high risk people as those with a BMI over 40 & the reason for potential complications is to do with visceral fat complicating ventilation if it gets to that point

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:22 (four years ago) link

Some more:

• Open Culture has a list of 1,150 movies to watch for free

• International Documentary Film Festival (IDFA) Rotterdam has made 200 docs available to watch for free

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:23 (four years ago) link

FYI lj the uk gov only lists high risk people as those with a BMI over 40 & the reason for potential complications is to do with visceral fat complicating ventilation if it gets to that point

― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:22 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

that's good. BMI is kind of bullshit as it has me down as borderline obese when I really, really don't look it - doesn't account for broad-shouldered cypriot body type etc etc

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:27 (four years ago) link

same here. back when I was doing weight loss challenges a lot of people were pretty surprised to find out how much I actually weighed. I got the "are you sure it's healthy to be losing this much weight?" comment a few times and I was like...uh I'm still 220

frogbs, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link

Do you act smaller in person?

silby, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 15:42 (four years ago) link

I can also attest to the advantages of broad shoulders - which reminds me, time to get some exercise in.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:00 (four years ago) link

trump just opened up the press conference by referring to the "Chinese Virus", in his very first sentence.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:08 (four years ago) link

And continuing to make whatever current testing is going on sound horrifying.

clemenza, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:12 (four years ago) link

Trump wants everyone to know the invisible enemy happens to be chinese.

Yerac, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:15 (four years ago) link

Ugh so my boss has info from someone inside downing st that it will be announced tonight that London is going into total lockdown as of Friday.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:21 (four years ago) link

What does 'total lockdown' mean?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:23 (four years ago) link

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:23 (four years ago) link

Ok yeah I know obv grain of salt etc but this is pretty serious and another friend heard similar from someone. I think it would mean people are told to stay indoors and only grocery stores and pharmacies remain open.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link

Yep, FT reporters also saying this on Twitter.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:29 (four years ago) link

My one direct report and messaged me to tell me that she’s heard it from someone in the army and was like uh can I go to the store before this is announced and all hell breaks loose? :/

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link

we've been living like it's been total lockdown for a week now

nonetheless, does this mean no public transport?

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:57 (four years ago) link

They need key workers to get to work. Maybe they’ll enforce wfh for those who can but who aren’t being allowed to do so. Absolutely no way half the people on the train with me yesterday, minimum, needed to be there.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 17:01 (four years ago) link


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