1) Questioner: "Since it's novel, we’re still learning about it. Do you believe that if someone gets it and recovers, that person thereafter has immunity?"
Larry Brilliant: "So I don't see anything in this virus, even though it's novel, (that contradicts that). There are cases where people think that they've gotten it again, (but) that's more likely to be a test failure than it is an actual reinfection."
2) "I would project that once you're infected and you recover that if you get exposed to this exact virus you will not get reinfected," Fauci said.
Not definitive, but I do trust both sources.
― clemenza, Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:32 (four years ago) link
that is reassuring, clemenza
― treeship., Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link
How can you not trust Larry Brilliant
― felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link
my partner is working at a testing facility in the bronx. we're holing up in a borrowed apartment otherwise, staying away from roommates and family as much as possible. it sucks.
― treeship., Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link
and i am resigned, now, to the idea i will probably get it, even though i'm doing the distancing/hand-washing thing -- it's more for others.
I also, I should say, want desperately to believe that reinfection is impossible. One of the things that helps keep me calm is the idea that, if I do get it, the job is then to fight through it and I'll be in the clear. The thought that this fear would become a permanent part of life is a little too much to think about.
― clemenza, Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:36 (four years ago) link
i mean, eventually there will be a vaccine.
― treeship., Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:39 (four years ago) link
if the world shifted to veganism, would this curb the risk of zoonotic infections? i've been mostly vegan recently and it's not that hard.
I really don’t think there’s any point in worrying about the death rate when the only cases being measured are those where the person has been tested and confirmed. There’s going to be a huge population of invisible people out there and the only way to know for sure is to get a testing kit into every household. Which isn’t going to happen.
― some of you are enjoying this (gyac), Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:40 (four years ago) link
― some of you are enjoying this (gyac), Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:41 (four years ago) link
(xpost) Have you not seen Little Shop of Horrors? We're never going to be safe.
― clemenza, Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:41 (four years ago) link
Just noting, ammonia hasn't been tested for inactivation of coronaviruses, except one study on poultry shit. This review compiles all the household and hospital disinfectants that have (> 70% ethanol or isopropyl alcohol, > 1:50 bleach dilution, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide dilution, 0.23% povidone iodine, ).
Kampf et al, 2020. Persistence of coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces and its inactivation with biocidal agents. Journal of Hospital Infection.
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:41 (four years ago) link
The package says "Kills cold and flu virus. Effective against common cold virus caused by Coronavirus and common flu virus caused by Influenza A/Hong Kong." So I guess it's possible that they kill other cold and flu viruses but not this *particular* one for some reason? But it's what we have a ton of on hand.
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:46 (four years ago) link
Can you get infected just standing next to someone who is not coughing or sneezing or anything?
Seems so. How likely? The documented cases of asymptomatic transmission involved prolonged interaction (like travelling together), and the viral titer (roughly:number of viral particles) matters to chances. On the other hand, transmission in more brief/casual encounters would be less likely caught in contact tracing.
Transmission of 2019-nCoV infection from an asymptomatic contact in Germany
A 33-year-old otherwise healthy German businessman (Patient 1) became ill with a sore throat, chills, and myalgias on January 24, 2020. The following day, a fever of 39.1°C (102.4°F) developed, along with a productive cough. By the evening of the next day, he started feeling better and went back to work on January 27.Before the onset of symptoms, he had attended meetings with a Chinese business partner at his company near Munich on January 20 and 21. The business partner, a Shanghai resident, had visited Germany between January 19 and 22. During her stay, she had been well with no signs or symptoms of infection but had become ill on her flight back to China, where she tested positive for 2019-nCoV on January 26.
Before the onset of symptoms, he had attended meetings with a Chinese business partner at his company near Munich on January 20 and 21. The business partner, a Shanghai resident, had visited Germany between January 19 and 22. During her stay, she had been well with no signs or symptoms of infection but had become ill on her flight back to China, where she tested positive for 2019-nCoV on January 26.
Presumed Asymptomatic Carrier Transmission of COVID-19
Patient 1 (presumed asymptomatic carrier), a 20-year-old woman, lives in Wuhan and traveled to Anyang on January 10, 2020. She initially met with patients 2 and 3 on January 10. On January 13, she accompanied 5 relatives (patients 2 through 6) to visit another hospitalized relative in Anyang District Hospital (Figure). There was no report of COVID-19 at this hospital. After development of disease in her relatives, patient 1 was isolated and observed. As of February 11, she had no elevated temperature measured or self-reported fever and no gastrointestinal or respiratory symptoms, including cough and sore throat, reported or observed by the physicians. Chest CT images on January 27 and 31 showed no significant abnormalities. Her C-reactive protein level and lymphocyte count were normal (Table). Results of RT-PCR testing were negative on January 26, positive on January 28, and negative on February 5 and 8.Patients 2 through 6 developed COVID-19.
Patients 2 through 6 developed COVID-19.
Clinical characteristics of 24 asymptomatic infections with COVID19 screened among close contacts in Nanjing, China
In the family of Case 13, Relative 1 (wife of Case 13) first visited the hospital (Figure 2). Relative 1, a 64-yearold otherwise healthy woman, developed fever (the highest temperature was 38.7°C), cough, fatigue and vomiting on Jan 30, 2020. Three days later (Feb 2, 2020), she visited the hospital and was tested positive for the COVID-19 virus. Then, epidemiological investigations and nucleic acid tests were conducted on her son (Relative 2), daughter-in-law (Relative 3) and Case 13. Relative 2 and 3 had developed respiratory symptoms before investigation and were demonstrated positive for the COVID-19 virus. Nucleic acid test was also positive for Case 13, but he had no symptoms during admission.
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 21 March 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link
I guess my wife read something about this, and yeah, they have looked into (for example) doctors, people who had been exposed a lot but remained asymptomatic, and the more exposure you have the more of viral load you might carry (in your nose, say), and the more you carry the more you might shed. But it is unclear how easily, if it does at all, that viral load might transmit without contact or fluids or whatever. It's not like we're walking around like Pig-Pen from Peanuts.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 21 March 2020 16:30 (four years ago) link
The package says "Kills cold and flu virus. Effective against common cold virus caused by Coronavirus and common flu virus caused by Influenza A/Hong Kong."
The package of what? Thread is getting hard to follow.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 March 2020 16:33 (four years ago) link
it reads like you were responding to apost about ammonia, and sorry i'm not taking a bath in that
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 March 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link
re diarrhea... so the *opposite* of what we've been reading til now?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-digestive-symptoms-diarrhea-almost-half-of-patients/
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 March 2020 16:38 (four years ago) link
Eh, I just glanced at that and saw "Patients with digestive symptoms had a variety of problems, including loss of appetite (nearly 84%), diarrhea (29%), vomiting (0.8%) and abdominal pain (0.4%)." So ... 29% diarrhea? Maybe?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 21 March 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link
Yes the packaged wipes that I have are ammonia-based and that’s what they say on the container. Sorry. Thread moving fast.
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Saturday, 21 March 2020 16:44 (four years ago) link
https://t.co/SJvnio7ZN1— Quinn Slobodian (@zeithistoriker) March 21, 2020
― calzino, Saturday, 21 March 2020 16:58 (four years ago) link
Davos nails it again https://t.co/MCdcLcTHyb— Quinn Slobodian (@zeithistoriker) March 21, 2020
― calzino, Saturday, 21 March 2020 16:59 (four years ago) link
Today the cough is gone so hopefully I am done with it but I'll keep as far away as I can from everyone for another week.
Glad to hear you're feeling better and props for doing the right thing.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Saturday, 21 March 2020 17:02 (four years ago) link
Thank you pom.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 21 March 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
sad lols at calzino's second tweet
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 21 March 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link
BREAKING: Ground stop now in effect — all departures stopped — for JFK, LGA, EWR due to positive covid-19 tests. Other regional airspace sectors halted through key “gates” through NY air traffic areas. -Sources— Jon Ostrower (@jonostrower) March 21, 2020
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:52 (four years ago) link
only temporary?
At 2:21 PM NY Center is beginning “a slow process” reopening. “This is a very fluid process, dynamically changing as ZNY is attempting to stabilize operations and re-staff positions,” according to A4A guidance to planners.— Jon Ostrower (@jonostrower) March 21, 2020
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link
positive covid-19 tests for passengers/pilots on active flights, I presume?
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:59 (four years ago) link
people who are still on cruises...what is with these people???
― Yerac, Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link
Are you guys watching CBS?
This is very cool. They are giving a mutual gift. It's unreal
― Chief Kyiv, Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:13 (four years ago) link
xxpost I assumed it was shortage of flight controllers, ground crew which would impact aircraft operations.
― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:14 (four years ago) link
Sounds like the issues at Chicago Midway after three tower controllers tested positive.
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:18 (four years ago) link
Italy 793 deaths in the last 24.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:20 (four years ago) link
hours.
Watch CBS, asswipe
― Chief Kyiv, Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:21 (four years ago) link
wut
― Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:21 (four years ago) link
Do we look like the type of people who watch CBS
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:21 (four years ago) link
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white sock; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:24 (four years ago) link
Hey everyone. Not sure if anyone will remember me, but I used to post on ILX years back, including at length on the Jenny McCarthy / autism thread.
I'm still a neurologist, in Canada (Saskatoon). We're bracing for Covid, but it hasn't hit hard here yet. I'll eventually be working in the hospitals taking care of pneumonia patients, but that's still a few weeks off. In the meantime, I've been writing online about medicine again, on our local subreddit, trying to get outside the bubble of my mostly doctor friends and reach people in the community to discuss this crisis.
It's a legitimately terrifying situation. I hope everyone is staying safe, wherever you are.
Sorry to be too emotional about it (not much sleep these days), but these boards and the people who write here have meant a lot to me. Wanted to stop by and say hello again.
I'll check in here from time to time and contribute what I can.
good luck usa
― Plasmon, Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link
thank you Plasmon, and best to you in your work and life
we really need an alternative to "fluid process"
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:03 (four years ago) link
totally remember you! good to hear from you. Great work that you're doing.
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:03 (four years ago) link
infuriating video from Florida from a city council meeting.
the male getting the most upset is Omari Hardy, and I tend to agree with him here.
This is why the beaches haven't closed in Florida, and why they've had minimal COVID-19 prevention. Absolute dysfunction. pic.twitter.com/8x2tcQeg21— Farbod Esnaashari (@Farbod_E) March 21, 2020
Please check in lots. Any information you have will be infinitely more reliable than trying to stitch together a thousand moving parts by the minute.
― clemenza, Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link
The Washington Post reports:
The FDA late Friday approved the first coronavirus test that can be conducted entirely at the point of care for a patient — and deliver results in 45 minutes. The FDA granted “emergency use authorization” to Cepheid, a California company that makes a rapid molecular test for the coronavirus. Getting results in 45 minutes would be far quicker than the current situation in which tests typically are sent to central reference labs that can take days to deliver results.
The FDA authorization covers “patient care settings,” including doctors’ offices, but initially will be used primarily by hospitals and emergency departments, the company said. The specimen can be collected either by a nasal swab or by a saline wash using a small catheter. Neither is particularly comfortable, but the advantage of the wash is that it doesn’t require swabs, which are in short supply.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:07 (four years ago) link
xpost co-sign
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:09 (four years ago) link
45 minute tests sound good.
Dr Shitstain gets results
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-21/nigeria-reports-chloroquine-poisonings-after-trump-praised-drug
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
― Chief Kyiv, Saturday, March 21, 2020 2:21 PM
Whatever your problem is, moderator patience is probably thinner than usual so rein it in plz.
― Miami weisse (WmC), Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:14 (four years ago) link
rein it in plz
Chief Kyiv is almost certainly one of those perma-banned past ilxors who just can't stay away from ilx. Chances are they won't figure out how to meet ilx community standards any more this time around than the previous x number of times they've been kicked out. We'll see.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:25 (four years ago) link
apologies if Atlantic article has been posted
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/how-we-beat-coronavirus/608389/
The "autumn lull" factor is scariest of all. I can foresee a premature victory party with great clarity.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:26 (four years ago) link