The way we live now - how will covid-19 change us?

I was thinking about changes in everyday life while out walking today. (Didn't get within 10 feet of anyone, promise.)

9/11 -- airports, increased government surveillance
Katrina -- much better preparedness
2008 financial meltdown -- evidently, not much
Various mass shootings -- nothing

I'm sure changes will be massive here. Mostly good, I hope, invariably some bad.

has gyac or an other posted about the airbnb thing

that's true, but I didn't want to ruin any of the ongoing other threads with a relatively trivial concern

I can't work out if people are going to be super tactile when this is finally over or the exact opposite.

People are going to be getting laid all over the place and there's probably going to be a big spike in extra-marital affairs and/or break-ups. The people with solid marriages are really gonna know how solid they are.

available rentals are up 64% in dublin since airbnb landlords/companies started dumping about four days ago

2 beds in good areas down from 3500 to 2250 etc etc

1200 properties all a sudden up for long term rents that were short term only before

speculation that 5k properties within dublin will be available by the end of this

this genie isnt going back into the box

Gonna be curious to see the stats on fatal auto accidents during this period vs the same period in prior years.

i actually thought of you when i saw that air bnb ireland thing! xpost

thoughts, prayers and a 30% rent reduction all welcome at this difficult time

I was thinking today about my grandfather and how obsessive he was about always having extra food around because he lived through the Depression, and realizing that we're all going to be like that from now on.

...im kinda like that about some things since a rotten childhood tbh so 🤷‍♂️ i guess

i think i inherited all my extra food having in my home from my mom (oldest of five brothers and was very poor). it's come in handy several times now.

I've been obsessive about having a well-stocked pantry and other vital supplies purchased ahead of need ever since I had enough money to stop living hand to mouth. Houses, tools, food, medicines are all tangible. Money is largely theoretical. I always take care of the tangibles first, savings second, with investments well back in third place.

when i got married and my parents came up for the small dinner she brought me, from several states over, a huge kirkland pack of toilet paper, two watermelons, a large bottle of olive oil and a plant.

A friend of mine when i was a kid, his elderly Ukrainian dad used to have stockpiles of tinned vegetables and tomatoes in the cellar, probably loads of them out of date i would speculate. he'd emigrated to the UK in the late 30's so might have known a thing or two about food shortages.

I don't do airbnb but as I work in the sector I do host a lot of international students, this way I can afford to pay the rent on a decent-sized house, obviously this particular short/medium-term plan is fucked now.

If we can get a couple of lodgers it will be ok, but there are none out there right now, of course.

living in the same space that you have an air bnb'er was initially the spirit of it at first and it was great until people turned it into a professional sort of enterprise.

I think one of the major ones is going to be mass depression, a widespread mental health crisis.

People should be encouraged to find a way to express their sadness over the loss we are presently experiencing and will be for some time, which is not easy for many people, but allowing yourself to feel your grief can help stave off depression.

yeah, I had a brief spell today where I went to sleep because I was feeling depressed. it does help to just let it out.

Feel like the tradition of the handshake has been dealt a critical blow

I certainly hope so, it always gives me the shudders when someone puts their hand out to me and it's a fucking odious hangover from the paleocene that should have never made it into the modern era imo

Well in France we kiss on the cheeks to say hi/bye so consider yourself happy !

ILX will carry on but thread police will be extra strict after spending all this time sorting out the boundaries of these 8 different CV threads

I think one of the major ones is going to be mass depression, a widespread mental health crisis.

― Deflatormouse

america was already in the throes of a mental health epidemic and most people were pretending it didn't exist

honestly? honestly i can't see that covid is making a lot of long-term changes in how people live their lives. people are just the way they were before, but moreso.

I certainly hope so, it always gives me the shudders when someone puts their hand out to me and it's a fucking odious hangover from the paleocene that should have never made it into the modern era imo

― calzino, Monday, March 23, 2020 7:40 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I will take a handshake over a goddamn hug any day of the week

I like shaking hands with someone I'm meeting, and hugging a friend. I miss physical contact with people already.

Me too

People who can still afford it are going to be out all the fucking time when this is over. I intend to go to the pub three or four times a week and as many restaurants as possible.

To be honest though going more than a 15min walk from my front door would feel like a wild and dangerous adventure right now.

I really hope all the heathens who wear shoes in their homes finally stop.

Chris Ware strip:

https://scontent.fman2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/90760460_10156859421891176_2600980156633841664_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=kTLAFbUa-hAAX_zUvsC&_nc_ht=scontent.fman2-2.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=7760efd7579f051639b3df5476e3fb29&oe=5E9EC54E

i gave up making long-term, specific predictions in november 2016. i don't feel like there's enough specific information about covid-19 right now for me to make any prognostications that are differentiable from wide-eyed speculation.

Haha, I should probably clarify that I reached the conclusion I posted about mass depression after consulting the Yijing:
六三：萃如，嗟如，无攸利，往无咎，小吝。
上六：齎咨涕洟，无咎。
That may be an overly literal take on it, but it does suggest to me a certian seriousness over frivolity.

I do worry what will become of public swimming pools and halloween.

I wonder if this might actually kill the direct market in comics - I've given notice to my local shop to cancel my pull order timed with an upcoming move (which, fuck knows if that's going to happen now), so I'll try and get them to mail them out to me until then, but after they stop I might go digital and just pick up collections.

Handshakes may be on their way out, but waving to strangers might make a big comeback. I wave to almost everyone I pass now (not close...) when I'm out walking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rzZ2F18MwI&feature=youtu.be

ugh maybe this will work (toronto symphony playing from their individual homes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rzZ2F18MwI

I hear you, death to conductors.

That may be an overly literal take on it, but it does suggest to me a certian seriousness over frivolity.

I do worry what will become of public swimming pools and halloween.

― Deflatormouse

idk if it's overly literal or not! there are so many variant translations of that verse that i can't actually tell what you were referencing - "in the beginning good fortune, at the end chaos"?

halloween has already changed so much since i was a child. all this fear of strangers, everybody worried about being poisoned and all that. look i know this is "a child used to kick a ball in the street" territory but when we lived in apartments, nobody would come by our house at all... now that we own a home sporadically large gangs of chaperoned children will come by and we have to individually hand out pieces of candy to them because if we let them just pick their own half of them will just plunge their hand into the bowl and take half the damn candy, and the chaperoning parent won't say boo about it. i don't blame the kids.

anyway that's not my point, my point is that from what i see trick-or-treating is already in transition, kids wandering from door to door in the dark was already well on its way to becoming a thing of the past.

public swimming pools i didn't go near even before transitioning. "here let me show off this body i fucking hate", you know? i'm glad the notion of bathing suits that don't show off every square inch of skin are starting to not automatically trigger the assumption that one is some hyper-conservative prude.

i do wonder about the hyper-social people, what will change, how their behaviours will adapt, because all of the precautions on personal space being suggested now are perfectly amenable to me.

at least where I live my old neighborhood last Halloween was wall to wall kids and parents sidewalks were so crowded

and all I'll say is everyone in this thread is vastly underestimates human beings' ability to forget

I am trying to keep hyper-social people (which I am not) in my thoughts and prayers during these trying times. Imagining a different crisis which required me to be around gaggles of people 24/7 makes me want to tear my own face off.

to individually hand out pieces of candy to them because if we let them just pick their own half of them will just plunge their hand into the bowl and take half the damn candy, and the chaperoning parent won't say boo about it.

This has become a worse problem over the years but there is definitely some complicity with some people who give out treats "Oh, go ahead. Take a few." What I'm doing next Halloween (if, as mentioned above, there is trick or treating this year) is to make small goody bags with 3-4 items (candy, toy, pencil, etc) and each kid gets one bag, which contains multiple items.

I think I m/l properly estimate human beings' ability to forget but I think the likely factors of longevity and personal impact in this instance will make it a little more difficult to just paper over.

Also there will be habits and behaviours that people develop over the next couple of months that they actually like, and those will endure.

xp to old lunch:

Yeah, at work yesterday we had a Zoom meeting to discuss the personal challenges that we're all facing with these lifestyle changes. God bless my boss for that. But one of my colleagues was like "I'm an extrovert and this is driving me crazy!" Which I hadn't really thought about.

Also there will be habits and behaviours that people develop over the next couple of months that they actually like, and those will endure.

I definitely think "not commuting" and "day drinking around the house" are going to end up on this list.

There was a craze for adult ball pits last year. Think that is probably over.

and all I'll say is everyone in this thread is vastly underestimates human beings' ability to forget

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

i talked to my older relatives who went through the depression, when they were still alive. maybe there were some people who went through the depression and forgot? but not the people i knew.

I think most things will go back to normal, in a sense. I don't think people will stop going to the gym or to pools. I think the recession is likely to have more of an overall impact on, like, the way society functions than the pandemic itself. But I do think this will leave its imprint on our psyches and we'll have even more depression, anxiety, isolation, obsession with cleanliness and health, etc. than we had before.