outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

Similar thing happened in Armenia. Some dumb rich woman *had* to fly to Milan in the middle of an epidemic to get a couture wedding dress for a wedding, then attend said wedding despite not feeling well.

— Captain Person (@captainperson) March 22, 2020

in italy 74% of those infected are aged over 50.

in nsw so far 40% of the infected are over 50, and only 25% are aged over 60.

sources are health nsw and statista.com for italy.

my wife and i are currently waiting for her test results so she can go back to work.

shes a dialysis nurse and if the virus goes through her clinic it will kill. and dialysis isnt elective; patients cant choose to stay home, infectious or not.

Good luck to you and your wife.

Perhaps not a miracle drug.

http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/africa/chloroquine-trump-nigeria-intl/index.html

I am glad José Andres is requesting the equivalent of what they are trying to give the airlines (so he has the funds to mobilize and provide food for the vulnerable during this time).

It would also employ restaurant workers.

Many of the countries with the most cases took a dip in daily cases yesterday. (I won't list them--I was clicking one by one on the worldometer site.) I'm wondering, though, if that's because there's less reporting on a Sunday.

So is this thing just asymptomatic in the vast majority of under-50 cases? There are a few horrible outliers like the 18 year old that died, and obviously some people in their 30s and 40s are experiencing horrible things but in general it seems we can't possibly get a handle on this without widespread, perhaps universal testing.

Afaict last I saw reported it's asymptomatic in 20-30% of cases, and mild in 80% of cases, period, but maybe more likely to be so the younger you are.

xposting, Australia might just be running behind, but on the other hand, it's a big, mostly empty country, and an island, too, like the U.S., so that gives it some advantages. But re: "1675 confirmed cases and only 20 people have needed ICU treatment," that seems generally in line with the way it plays out, barring complications. Most people get it and have few or mild symptoms. Of the remaining, some have more dramatic symptoms, a smaller number need to go to hospital, an even smaller number needs to go the ICU, and the smallest number don't make it.

80% of laboratory-confirmed cases were mild to moderate, 14% were severe, and 6% were critical. Just to be clear, a mild case of COVID-19 is not like a mild cold. The symptoms will still be pretty severe. Anything less than needing oxygen puts you in this category. Severe cases do need supplemental oxygen, and critical ones are defined by respiratory or multi-organ failure.

According to this article you can get pneumonia and be considered a moderate case

My bestie definitely has pneumatic symptoms even if not quite full blown pneumonia. Has also had low grade fever between 98.8 to 100 for six days

xp yes thats the apparent state of things here.

severe pneumonia/difficulty breathing, we might send the ambulance around.

up to then, self medicate and keep us posted

i dont think its that the beds/equipment/staff arent there, its that they really want to embed that attitude in people now in anticipation of next week or whatever

NYC: close friend was in the emergency room on Saturday night/Sunday morning with shortness of breath, coughing, high fever for about a week. They did not test her, told her to presume it was covid and sent her home to self quarantine. She has pneumonia in her lungs but says she's feeling better today than she has in days. Her husband has a sore throat but is otherwise asymptomatic, though he is a fairly recent liver/pancreas recipient and on immunosuppressant drugs and has to self quarantine with her.

she's on antibiotics and trying to work from home as of Monday. she passed out in the ER on Saturday night.

wishing her well

Curve said to be flattening somewhat in Germany. (insert good at following orders joek)

It's truly surreal to see all of these progressive people essentially arguing for a police state, federal restrictions on gatherings & freedom of movement, etc

sometimes core ideologies have to be flexible in dramatic times. something that works for good times doesn't necessarily work for pandemic or war.

every ideology harbors the seeds of fascism

but yes less dramatically of course there should be restrictions on freedom of movement rn it's a deadly easily-transmissible pandemic

i think it's surreal for republicans to be talking about all this direct aid to individual families

the world won't be the same after this that's for sure

jeez ulysses, that sounds rough xps

1400 cases in NJ over the weekend; 2800+ now.

It's truly surreal to see all of these progressive people essentially arguing for a police state, federal restrictions on gatherings & freedom of movement, etc

what exactly should the progressive view on this be, the longer people remain out and about the longer we all have to stay inside and the more people will die

i think the progressive view on this should be less focused on the containment/restrictions policy, and more about how the trillions of dollars we are about to spend

that new report about covid positive people losing their sense of taste and smell as a marker (and sometimes with no other symptoms) is kind of wild. Even if you are not congested and are breathing totally normally.

Holy shit, me a week ago:

My biggest issue these days is getting over a cold (yes, a boring cold, nothing but the sniffles) that my kid gave me that has somehow reduced my sense of taste to next to nothing.

!!!

I get it, but what enforcement could look like, and the possible effect on elections etc, just feels extremely dystopian.

xp

Oh wow

you probably had it josh. my surmise is that a larger percentage than we know have barely any symptoms at all.

Josh, can you please remove yourself from this thread ASAP?

I wiped my screen.

you probably had it josh.

This seems so unhelpful and irresponsible to post.

Not really?

sorry. i mean, he is ok right?

if he was still experiencing symptoms and anxious about it, i wouldn't do that and make him worry.

assume you didn't, for everyone's safety. because thinking you did is going to lead to riskier behaviors

influenza b was pretty widespread and iirc the one not covered by the flu vaccine. assuming anyone who was sick over three weeks ago had influenza b

assume you didn't, for everyone's safety. because thinking you did is going to lead to riskier behaviors

Exactly.

i wasn't suggesting he should imagine he is immune.

I don't assume or imagine I'm immune, but there is absolutely no way I had the flu, and barely had what I thought was a cold.

Anyway, I'm totally fine. It only struck me as curious because I'd never lost my sense of taste before (bad taste is another matter, lol), and what I thought was (and may have been) a cold was so mild it seemed odd to me at the time that it would totally wipe out my sense of taste and smell. No cough, no sneeze, no serious congestion, just a very modestly stuffy nose, which at the time I cited as indication I *didn't* have it, ironically. But there was a 3-4 day stretch where I could taste literally nothing, with no other real symptoms except maybe I felt a bit tired, enough so that I skipped running at the gym for the week. (Though that was really because I didn't want to get sick, also ironically).

A friend of ours described going through a terrible flu last month, after having had contact with her dad who came back from China (no symptoms for him), extreme weakness, fever, cough, etc, and I was shushed for saying that she almost surely had it, idgi.

Whatever, still leave the thread. You can post your replies in an adjacent thread, and we will disinfect and post them here.

Only choose a rubbish thread to post in tho, don't infect a good one

I Love Cooties.

A friend of ours described going through a terrible flu last month, after having had contact with her dad who came back from China (no symptoms for him), extreme weakness, fever, cough, etc, and I was shushed for saying that she almost surely had it, idgi.

don't feel too bad, a whole bunch of people were shooshed for advising caution the last few weeks

other than thinking you might be immune, thinking "hey, I had it and it affects me in a mild way" is also a risk

now I'm remembering my friend who ended up having bell's palsy a couple months back and how losing sense of taste was one of the first symptoms she had before waking up with half her face frozen :(

(she's better now)

ah I remember that, glad to hear it

i think we should be aware that people have it and have mild symptoms. all the more reason to be cautious. we do not know who is infectious.

and you don't know if you are infectious yourself. it could hit you and you wouldn't necessarily know, you might just think you feel sort of crummy.

we all feel sort of crummy right now imo

Yeah, it's worth remembering that COVID is by no means the only thing that causes you to lose your sense of smell. I mentioned earlier having a horrible cough for months last year that I totally would think was COVID if it were happening now. My dad caught it from me, didn't have it nearly as badly, but lost his sense of smell for months.