So is this thing just asymptomatic in the vast majority of under-50 cases? There are a few horrible outliers like the 18 year old that died, and obviously some people in their 30s and 40s are experiencing horrible things but in general it seems we can't possibly get a handle on this without widespread, perhaps universal testing.
― Matt DC, Monday, 23 March 2020 13:52 (four years ago) link
Afaict last I saw reported it's asymptomatic in 20-30% of cases, and mild in 80% of cases, period, but maybe more likely to be so the younger you are.
xposting, Australia might just be running behind, but on the other hand, it's a big, mostly empty country, and an island, too, like the U.S., so that gives it some advantages. But re: "1675 confirmed cases and only 20 people have needed ICU treatment," that seems generally in line with the way it plays out, barring complications. Most people get it and have few or mild symptoms. Of the remaining, some have more dramatic symptoms, a smaller number need to go to hospital, an even smaller number needs to go the ICU, and the smallest number don't make it.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 March 2020 14:01 (four years ago) link
80% of laboratory-confirmed cases were mild to moderate, 14% were severe, and 6% were critical. Just to be clear, a mild case of COVID-19 is not like a mild cold. The symptoms will still be pretty severe. Anything less than needing oxygen puts you in this category. Severe cases do need supplemental oxygen, and critical ones are defined by respiratory or multi-organ failure.
― felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Monday, 23 March 2020 14:04 (four years ago) link
According to this article you can get pneumonia and be considered a moderate case
― felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Monday, 23 March 2020 14:05 (four years ago) link
My bestie definitely has pneumatic symptoms even if not quite full blown pneumonia. Has also had low grade fever between 98.8 to 100 for six days
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 March 2020 14:19 (four years ago) link
xp yes thats the apparent state of things here.
severe pneumonia/difficulty breathing, we might send the ambulance around.
up to then, self medicate and keep us posted
i dont think its that the beds/equipment/staff arent there, its that they really want to embed that attitude in people now in anticipation of next week or whatever
― thou shalt not covid thy neighbour's wife (darraghmac), Monday, 23 March 2020 14:20 (four years ago) link
NYC: close friend was in the emergency room on Saturday night/Sunday morning with shortness of breath, coughing, high fever for about a week. They did not test her, told her to presume it was covid and sent her home to self quarantine. She has pneumonia in her lungs but says she's feeling better today than she has in days. Her husband has a sore throat but is otherwise asymptomatic, though he is a fairly recent liver/pancreas recipient and on immunosuppressant drugs and has to self quarantine with her.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 23 March 2020 16:02 (four years ago) link
she's on antibiotics and trying to work from home as of Monday. she passed out in the ER on Saturday night.
wishing her well
Curve said to be flattening somewhat in Germany. (insert good at following orders joek)
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 March 2020 16:06 (four years ago) link
It's truly surreal to see all of these progressive people essentially arguing for a police state, federal restrictions on gatherings & freedom of movement, etc
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 23 March 2020 16:09 (four years ago) link
sometimes core ideologies have to be flexible in dramatic times. something that works for good times doesn't necessarily work for pandemic or war.
― Mordy, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:11 (four years ago) link
every ideology harbors the seeds of fascism
― silby, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:12 (four years ago) link
but yes less dramatically of course there should be restrictions on freedom of movement rn it's a deadly easily-transmissible pandemic
i think it's surreal for republicans to be talking about all this direct aid to individual families
― treeship., Monday, 23 March 2020 16:12 (four years ago) link
the world won't be the same after this that's for sure
― silby, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
jeez ulysses, that sounds rough xps
― ymo sumac (NickB), Monday, 23 March 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
1400 cases in NJ over the weekend; 2800+ now.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 23 March 2020 16:39 (four years ago) link
what exactly should the progressive view on this be, the longer people remain out and about the longer we all have to stay inside and the more people will die
― frogbs, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link
i think the progressive view on this should be less focused on the containment/restrictions policy, and more about how the trillions of dollars we are about to spend
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:51 (four years ago) link
that new report about covid positive people losing their sense of taste and smell as a marker (and sometimes with no other symptoms) is kind of wild. Even if you are not congested and are breathing totally normally.
Holy shit, me a week ago:
My biggest issue these days is getting over a cold (yes, a boring cold, nothing but the sniffles) that my kid gave me that has somehow reduced my sense of taste to next to nothing.
!!!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:56 (four years ago) link
I get it, but what enforcement could look like, and the possible effect on elections etc, just feels extremely dystopian.
xp
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 23 March 2020 16:57 (four years ago) link
Oh wow
you probably had it josh. my surmise is that a larger percentage than we know have barely any symptoms at all.
― treeship., Monday, 23 March 2020 17:25 (four years ago) link
Josh, can you please remove yourself from this thread ASAP?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 23 March 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link
I wiped my screen.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 March 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link
you probably had it josh.
This seems so unhelpful and irresponsible to post.
― Miami weisse (WmC), Monday, 23 March 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
Not really?
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 23 March 2020 17:32 (four years ago) link
sorry. i mean, he is ok right?
― treeship., Monday, 23 March 2020 17:32 (four years ago) link
if he was still experiencing symptoms and anxious about it, i wouldn't do that and make him worry.
― treeship., Monday, 23 March 2020 17:33 (four years ago) link
assume you didn't, for everyone's safety. because thinking you did is going to lead to riskier behaviors
influenza b was pretty widespread and iirc the one not covered by the flu vaccine. assuming anyone who was sick over three weeks ago had influenza b
― absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Monday, 23 March 2020 17:34 (four years ago) link
Exactly.
― Miami weisse (WmC), Monday, 23 March 2020 17:36 (four years ago) link
i wasn't suggesting he should imagine he is immune.
― treeship., Monday, 23 March 2020 17:37 (four years ago) link
I don't assume or imagine I'm immune, but there is absolutely no way I had the flu, and barely had what I thought was a cold.
Anyway, I'm totally fine. It only struck me as curious because I'd never lost my sense of taste before (bad taste is another matter, lol), and what I thought was (and may have been) a cold was so mild it seemed odd to me at the time that it would totally wipe out my sense of taste and smell. No cough, no sneeze, no serious congestion, just a very modestly stuffy nose, which at the time I cited as indication I *didn't* have it, ironically. But there was a 3-4 day stretch where I could taste literally nothing, with no other real symptoms except maybe I felt a bit tired, enough so that I skipped running at the gym for the week. (Though that was really because I didn't want to get sick, also ironically).
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 March 2020 17:40 (four years ago) link
A friend of ours described going through a terrible flu last month, after having had contact with her dad who came back from China (no symptoms for him), extreme weakness, fever, cough, etc, and I was shushed for saying that she almost surely had it, idgi.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 23 March 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
Whatever, still leave the thread. You can post your replies in an adjacent thread, and we will disinfect and post them here.
Only choose a rubbish thread to post in tho, don't infect a good one
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 March 2020 17:42 (four years ago) link
I Love Cooties.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 March 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link
don't feel too bad, a whole bunch of people were shooshed for advising caution the last few weeks
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 March 2020 17:49 (four years ago) link
other than thinking you might be immune, thinking "hey, I had it and it affects me in a mild way" is also a risk
now I'm remembering my friend who ended up having bell's palsy a couple months back and how losing sense of taste was one of the first symptoms she had before waking up with half her face frozen :(
(she's better now)
― absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Monday, 23 March 2020 17:55 (four years ago) link
ah I remember that, glad to hear it
― sleeve, Monday, 23 March 2020 17:55 (four years ago) link
i think we should be aware that people have it and have mild symptoms. all the more reason to be cautious. we do not know who is infectious.
― treeship., Monday, 23 March 2020 17:56 (four years ago) link
and you don't know if you are infectious yourself. it could hit you and you wouldn't necessarily know, you might just think you feel sort of crummy.
― treeship., Monday, 23 March 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
we all feel sort of crummy right now imo
― absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Monday, 23 March 2020 17:59 (four years ago) link
Yeah, it's worth remembering that COVID is by no means the only thing that causes you to lose your sense of smell. I mentioned earlier having a horrible cough for months last year that I totally would think was COVID if it were happening now. My dad caught it from me, didn't have it nearly as badly, but lost his sense of smell for months.
― The fillyjonk who believed in pandemics (Lily Dale), Monday, 23 March 2020 18:04 (four years ago) link
Again, this is presumably because of accelerated testing, right?
http://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/coronavirus-pandemic-is-accelerating-as-cases-eclipse-350000-who-says.html
― clemenza, Monday, 23 March 2020 18:06 (four years ago) link
partly. i think it's also like, unfathomably contagious
― treeship., Monday, 23 March 2020 18:07 (four years ago) link
now that testing is a bit more widespread I'm seeing a lot of twitter threads along the lines of "I tested positive, I don't have the main symptoms but these weird things are happening instead", which thankfully wind up being pretty mild
― frogbs, Monday, 23 March 2020 18:07 (four years ago) link
All this uncertainty about 'did I already have it weeks ago' and 'did I spread it to another dozen people' and 'gee maybe I'm infected right now' is just us milling around in the dark, because the US testing regime is at least six weeks behind the curve. It is better to recognize the ignorant condition we are stuck in and try not to mill around any more than necessary.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 23 March 2020 18:07 (four years ago) link
try not to mill around any more than necessary.
let the record show that I believe Aimless to be otm here
― sleeve, Monday, 23 March 2020 18:08 (four years ago) link
Oregon just closed a very specific list of "non-essential" businesses that does not include mine, so I guess I will be coming in tomorrow as well
https://govsite-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/jkAULYKcSh6DoDF8wBM0_EO%2020-12.pdf
― sleeve, Monday, 23 March 2020 18:09 (four years ago) link
I never had a fever either, btw; I was taking my temperature daily. By "mild symptoms" I mean in my case really practically *nothing* but loss of taste, or at least loss of taste was the only thing I complained about to my family. No cough, no fever, nothing I would call congestion. Never even really needed to blow my nose. Just a little snuffy, a little more tired than usual, and total loss of taste.
Anyway, considering this was a week ago, and symptoms have gone from "complete lack of taste" to "nothing" (afaict) I'm pretty confident whatever I had has run its course. Fingers crossed!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 March 2020 18:10 (four years ago) link