outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

80% of laboratory-confirmed cases were mild to moderate, 14% were severe, and 6% were critical. Just to be clear, a mild case of COVID-19 is not like a mild cold. The symptoms will still be pretty severe. Anything less than needing oxygen puts you in this category. Severe cases do need supplemental oxygen, and critical ones are defined by respiratory or multi-organ failure.

According to this article you can get pneumonia and be considered a moderate case

My bestie definitely has pneumatic symptoms even if not quite full blown pneumonia. Has also had low grade fever between 98.8 to 100 for six days

xp yes thats the apparent state of things here.

severe pneumonia/difficulty breathing, we might send the ambulance around.

up to then, self medicate and keep us posted

i dont think its that the beds/equipment/staff arent there, its that they really want to embed that attitude in people now in anticipation of next week or whatever

NYC: close friend was in the emergency room on Saturday night/Sunday morning with shortness of breath, coughing, high fever for about a week. They did not test her, told her to presume it was covid and sent her home to self quarantine. She has pneumonia in her lungs but says she's feeling better today than she has in days. Her husband has a sore throat but is otherwise asymptomatic, though he is a fairly recent liver/pancreas recipient and on immunosuppressant drugs and has to self quarantine with her.

she's on antibiotics and trying to work from home as of Monday. she passed out in the ER on Saturday night.

wishing her well

Curve said to be flattening somewhat in Germany. (insert good at following orders joek)

It's truly surreal to see all of these progressive people essentially arguing for a police state, federal restrictions on gatherings & freedom of movement, etc

sometimes core ideologies have to be flexible in dramatic times. something that works for good times doesn't necessarily work for pandemic or war.

every ideology harbors the seeds of fascism

but yes less dramatically of course there should be restrictions on freedom of movement rn it's a deadly easily-transmissible pandemic

i think it's surreal for republicans to be talking about all this direct aid to individual families

the world won't be the same after this that's for sure

jeez ulysses, that sounds rough xps

1400 cases in NJ over the weekend; 2800+ now.

It's truly surreal to see all of these progressive people essentially arguing for a police state, federal restrictions on gatherings & freedom of movement, etc

what exactly should the progressive view on this be, the longer people remain out and about the longer we all have to stay inside and the more people will die

i think the progressive view on this should be less focused on the containment/restrictions policy, and more about how the trillions of dollars we are about to spend

that new report about covid positive people losing their sense of taste and smell as a marker (and sometimes with no other symptoms) is kind of wild. Even if you are not congested and are breathing totally normally.

Holy shit, me a week ago:

My biggest issue these days is getting over a cold (yes, a boring cold, nothing but the sniffles) that my kid gave me that has somehow reduced my sense of taste to next to nothing.

!!!

I get it, but what enforcement could look like, and the possible effect on elections etc, just feels extremely dystopian.

xp

Oh wow

you probably had it josh. my surmise is that a larger percentage than we know have barely any symptoms at all.

Josh, can you please remove yourself from this thread ASAP?

I wiped my screen.

you probably had it josh.

This seems so unhelpful and irresponsible to post.

Not really?

sorry. i mean, he is ok right?

if he was still experiencing symptoms and anxious about it, i wouldn't do that and make him worry.

assume you didn't, for everyone's safety. because thinking you did is going to lead to riskier behaviors

influenza b was pretty widespread and iirc the one not covered by the flu vaccine. assuming anyone who was sick over three weeks ago had influenza b

assume you didn't, for everyone's safety. because thinking you did is going to lead to riskier behaviors

Exactly.

i wasn't suggesting he should imagine he is immune.

I don't assume or imagine I'm immune, but there is absolutely no way I had the flu, and barely had what I thought was a cold.

Anyway, I'm totally fine. It only struck me as curious because I'd never lost my sense of taste before (bad taste is another matter, lol), and what I thought was (and may have been) a cold was so mild it seemed odd to me at the time that it would totally wipe out my sense of taste and smell. No cough, no sneeze, no serious congestion, just a very modestly stuffy nose, which at the time I cited as indication I *didn't* have it, ironically. But there was a 3-4 day stretch where I could taste literally nothing, with no other real symptoms except maybe I felt a bit tired, enough so that I skipped running at the gym for the week. (Though that was really because I didn't want to get sick, also ironically).

A friend of ours described going through a terrible flu last month, after having had contact with her dad who came back from China (no symptoms for him), extreme weakness, fever, cough, etc, and I was shushed for saying that she almost surely had it, idgi.

Whatever, still leave the thread. You can post your replies in an adjacent thread, and we will disinfect and post them here.

Only choose a rubbish thread to post in tho, don't infect a good one

I Love Cooties.

A friend of ours described going through a terrible flu last month, after having had contact with her dad who came back from China (no symptoms for him), extreme weakness, fever, cough, etc, and I was shushed for saying that she almost surely had it, idgi.

don't feel too bad, a whole bunch of people were shooshed for advising caution the last few weeks

other than thinking you might be immune, thinking "hey, I had it and it affects me in a mild way" is also a risk

now I'm remembering my friend who ended up having bell's palsy a couple months back and how losing sense of taste was one of the first symptoms she had before waking up with half her face frozen :(

(she's better now)

ah I remember that, glad to hear it

i think we should be aware that people have it and have mild symptoms. all the more reason to be cautious. we do not know who is infectious.

and you don't know if you are infectious yourself. it could hit you and you wouldn't necessarily know, you might just think you feel sort of crummy.

we all feel sort of crummy right now imo

Yeah, it's worth remembering that COVID is by no means the only thing that causes you to lose your sense of smell. I mentioned earlier having a horrible cough for months last year that I totally would think was COVID if it were happening now. My dad caught it from me, didn't have it nearly as badly, but lost his sense of smell for months.

Again, this is presumably because of accelerated testing, right?

http://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/coronavirus-pandemic-is-accelerating-as-cases-eclipse-350000-who-says.html

partly. i think it's also like, unfathomably contagious

now that testing is a bit more widespread I'm seeing a lot of twitter threads along the lines of "I tested positive, I don't have the main symptoms but these weird things are happening instead", which thankfully wind up being pretty mild

All this uncertainty about 'did I already have it weeks ago' and 'did I spread it to another dozen people' and 'gee maybe I'm infected right now' is just us milling around in the dark, because the US testing regime is at least six weeks behind the curve. It is better to recognize the ignorant condition we are stuck in and try not to mill around any more than necessary.

try not to mill around any more than necessary.

let the record show that I believe Aimless to be otm here

Oregon just closed a very specific list of "non-essential" businesses that does not include mine, so I guess I will be coming in tomorrow as well

https://govsite-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/jkAULYKcSh6DoDF8wBM0_EO%2020-12.pdf

I never had a fever either, btw; I was taking my temperature daily. By "mild symptoms" I mean in my case really practically *nothing* but loss of taste, or at least loss of taste was the only thing I complained about to my family. No cough, no fever, nothing I would call congestion. Never even really needed to blow my nose. Just a little snuffy, a little more tired than usual, and total loss of taste.

Anyway, considering this was a week ago, and symptoms have gone from "complete lack of taste" to "nothing" (afaict) I'm pretty confident whatever I had has run its course. Fingers crossed!

My last few colds (over a couple of years) have left me unable to smell/taste for ages afterwards. I had a head cold last week (felt exactly like a normal cold, - just sneezing and post-nasal drip - except milder as I actually rested, no coughing/fever) and still haven't regained my sense of smell. I'm certain it wasn't CV.

my surmise is that a larger percentage than we know have barely any symptoms at all.

Both of the two situations where they've ramped up testing (Vo' and the Diamond Princess) have recorded that over 50% of the people with the virus are asymptomatic, just so you know.