The way we live now - how will covid-19 change us?

I see a big spike in leg humping

Expect there will be a slowdown in supply of illegal drugs given that most routes into UK are closed. Downstream effect of increasing price on street with subsequent increase in crime to get funds to support it.

in orbit, a lot of the same thing going on in DC (the largely white "creative class" is indoors, the black and brown blue collar folks are out and about) but we don't have DCPD stopping people on the street and asking for hall passes or whatever. I don't think full-on white flight is going to happen again, people really like living in the city (when it's functioning); but also see above where I worried about young folks abandoning their high rent studios if the promise of fun urban living is suspended for too long.

one of my colleagues was like "I'm an extrovert and this is driving me crazy!" Which I hadn't really thought about.

Saw somebody on fb saying "You know who this is really affecting? School bullies."

i talked to my older relatives who went through the depression, when they were still alive.

That is usually the best time to talk to people, imo.

I have seen wisdom itt from LBI, Matt DC, rushomancy.

What I imagine will happen (whether in a month, six months, or a year) is a great "sproing" back to how people were living last month.

Many businesses - restaurants, bars, etc. - will have had to go out of business. Life for their workers will suck even more than it did before. I have no wish to diminish those hardships!

But the demand that created those businesses in the first place is still there and will reemerge, even stronger. Which could lead to another wave of failures - when it's safe to go out again, some businesses will pop up during that surge in demand, with ideas that might not be sustainable long-term.

I dunno. Very sad for the people hit hardest now and in the future.

Tomboto, you raise an interesting notion - if the point of spending a gazillion dollars on rent is to be near nightlife, shopping, and cultural activities... then what's the point if there isn't any nightlife, shopping, or cultural activities?

I just ordered a load of beer online for the first time ever. That's probably going to continue for a while.

did you go through a particular provider, MDC, or just a supermarket?

There is a good Vice article about this xpost https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xgqpyq/most-brown-and-black-americans-are-exposing-themselves-to-coronavirus-for-a-paycheck

Young ppl abandoning their hi-rent studios would actually relieve some/all? of the pressures of gentrification as experienced by lower income folks. If freewheeling "urban" gap-20s stop being so appealing, we might get liveable communities back.

I observed that the same thing was said after 9.11 and businesses didn't really take their corporate centers elsewhere en masse and the appeal of NYC didn't noticeably diminish, but this event could be different in lots of ways.

xp Oh thank you I'll read that now.

I went through a nearby bottle shop that does delivery. My guess is that most people's best bet will be to order directly from a brewery, they will have an absolute shit-ton of unsold stock right now.

Lol at the idea of being able to get anything delivered from a supermarket right now. (xposts)

Here in the US, the governing org that oversees Alcohol sales has relaxed laws allowing breweries that were unable to ship previously to do so, as well as bars to expand their retail to "takeout" (within reason).

I imagine there will be a spike in suicides towards the end of this twelve-week period, if that's how long it will be, and a higher number if it goes on longer. People who live alone, in particular.

I just ordered a load of beer online for the first time ever. That's probably going to continue for a while.

the largely white "creative class" is indoors

tbf, many of them will be facing eviction in 1-2 months

Not sure about that. They're "working" from home and getting paid their normal salaries. Their employers may cry wolf about THA ECONOMY but have plenty of cash reserves.

Also we're talking about DC, which has a famously recession-proof industry in it.

one thing that's a positive and I hope I remember the lessons, but I'm doing a much better job of really making the most of the food that I've bought. I've been much more mindful of trying to use things up and use things that are going to go bad first. Also, just frozen food in general I used to avoid and it's great, I could have saved myself so much money. And, just cooking at home in general.

anyway, a good life lesson.

hard agree! i have a tiny freezer so i don't get very much stuff already frozen but i push it to its limits in storing leftovers, stock, meat etc

yeah!!! i get annoying about using all the food in the house before it goes bad and rotating first in/first out (which is why I end up eating disgusting combinations sometimes) so this is great.

cosign, better fridge management here

Yeah, we were looking to say goodbye to our small fridge freezer (has to fit beneath the boiler), but I guess not.

So Black organizers are working on doing online Know Yr Rights trainings targeted at young people and some kind of public education campaign.

My immediate thought is, do they have some way to contact all these kids again when their rights change?

Like, every time I have to leave my apt for a long trip, I will end up juicing everything that is able to be juiced (it's disgusting) and like freezing 3 eggs because I can not bear to toss it.

You can freeze eggs?!

I looked it up and apparently you can crack them into an ice cube tray and freeze them that way. I've never tried it.

yeah, you can totally freeze eggs. I just ate some that had been frozen for two months.

I am lazy so just scramble them all in one container and later defrost when I know I will be eating them in the next couple of days.

and then you eat them cold!

I do like most of my food cold.

I've been thinking about getting a couple of chickens

if you do, you must post pics.

yes ppl who are able to work from home are insulated from the crisis but what if comcast xfinity goes down

It will be a weird world but I will finally be justified in having hoarded books.

Locally, Air B&Bs made housing for locals scarce and drove up rents to twice the levels a few miles away. Now, with no cash flow on those mortgages, a lot of absentee landlords are returning their properties to the rental market. Granted, not the best time in a tourism driven local economy.

It will be a weird world but I will finally be justified in having hoarded books.

― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit),

Somebody pointed out the other day that everyone who Marie Kondo-ed their lives last year is probably regretting it now.

There was a craze for adult ball pits last year. Think that is probably over.

I spent most of today, from 10 a.m. until dinner time, in an adult ball pit. There were nine other adults in there with me. We will never surrender

what language are you speaking

xp ha was that you

it got too hot and I had to leave

Somebody pointed out the other day that everyone who Marie Kondo-ed their lives last year is probably regretting it now.

I have clutter/hoarding tendencies (mostly physical media related but with a side order of musical gadgets and hi-fi gear) and to be honest the prospect of being homebound for a long time has made me wish I had less stuff and more space

it's not a great or practical time to sell excess stuff so I've been reorganising everything to hide away all the things that won't be used during lockdown

so I guess I can thank the plague for helping me sort out my priorities re material goods

(def. glad to have a bunch of unread books in the house though)

Somebody pointed out the other day that everyone who Marie Kondo-ed their lives last year is probably regretting it now.

I agree, fwiw. Can't really get my head around wishing I had more stuff around me, at all. Not that I Marie Kondo-ed, her method was not for me, to put it mildly, but I do like to get rid.

i have downsized a lot of stuff lately and i do not regret it a bit.

I don't regret the books I still want to read/reread, or the music.

I regret the purchases that represented some other course my life didn't take. The 5-string bass guitar. The small PA and DJ lights. The ill fitting scuba gear. The coffee-table erotica. The roadside geology guides. It's all been waiting to be sorted and sold in my spare room (It could fit into a walk in closet) but it's all weighed on me for the better part of a decade.

I'm a bit angry that Amazon has taken down third party selling, as the used quotes were to be my guide for whether the piles of books I don't want were worth posting there or ebay or taking to the Goodwill.

idk if it's overly literal or not! there are so many variant translations of that verse that i can't actually tell what you were referencing - "in the beginning good fortune, at the end chaos"?

Oh, the name of that passage is 萃: gathering, assembling, basically 'en masse' and then the lines i quoted had "gathering, moaning" and "boo-hoo, sniffle, snot" with some stock divinatory jargon.

anyway that's not my point, my point is that from what i see trick-or-treating is already in transition, kids wandering from door to door in the dark was already well on its way to becoming a thing of the past.

You're probably right that it's trended this way, but not everywhere equally, and hopefully not imminently enough that there's possibility the trend will reverse before door to door trick or treating is killed off for good...

public swimming pools i didn't go near even before transitioning. "here let me show off this body i fucking hate", you know?

Yeah, definitely. I absolutely dreaded swimming in school on the rare occasions it was scheduled for that reason, even though I love actual swimming. I dreaded changing for gym in middle school, and it felt like it was just me who hated it but in hindsight that seems extremely unlikely.

i do wonder about the hyper-social people, what will change, how their behaviours will adapt, because all of the precautions on personal space being suggested now are perfectly amenable to me.

I'm pretty much in the same boat, I mean, I live in Manhattan where personal space is an impossibility, or maybe a fiction at best. But it's totally amenable to me in theory lol. The other day I went to the park to get away from my neighbors... and I'm not sure I've ever seen it so crowded, honestly. Tbf it was 75 degrees in March, but you would never know there's a pandemic going on.

I've worried more about the environmental impact than the social one tbh. It's not at all hard for me to imagine, for instance, mass extermintion of animal species who could potentially spread diseases to humans. The interim measures taken by China thus far have been to restrict wildlife trade and consumption, so I hope I'm wrong. I'd welcome limitations on "discretionary" travel going forward but I really don't think it's gonna happen.

I have clutter/hoarding tendencies (mostly physical media related but with a side order of musical gadgets and hi-fi gear) and to be honest the prospect of being homebound for a long time has made me wish I had less stuff and more space

this is me too! being constantly surrounded by piles of too-much-stuff is even more wearing now it's basically 24/7, plus there is extra awareness of keeping surfaces clean and having separate areas for things which have been outside, etc, and that's not so easy to do when you have 0 clear surfaces

(or, tbf, when you really hate cleaning and tidying and can't be bothered even though you know you probably need to more than ever)

I've been meaning to sell a bunch of records because I never listen to vinyl any more and it's just a big box of stuff I bang my toe on sometimes (plus some more boxes hidden in cupboards) but yeah, as you say it's not really the time now

Where did you order from?

Hop Burns & Black in East Dulwich/Peckham kind of way, although they have a Deptford shop as well. No sign of a delivery time though.

Cloudwater is completely out of all its IPAs. It's truly the hipsterpocalypse. (They do have plenty of guest beers to ship, however)

if IPAs the world over are cancelled this will be a glorious day

They price they sell Cloudwater at they'll have bankrupted the country before we all die.

Yes - though much more reasonable from their site than from wind-up merchants like Mother Kelly's who routinely sell tall-boy cans for £8

I got a few of these: https://shop.cloudwaterbrew.co/collections/guest-beers/products/mobberley-brewhouse-spring-ipa

capitalism will get v basic

Cuba can send all of its doctors to the ends of the Earth. But they'll never match the ingenuity of the market. pic.twitter.com/yiSpGEYtKn

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) March 24, 2020

Beer nerds insist that cloudwater prices fairly reflect the cost of all the hi-tech microbiology/alchemy they practice, my scientific opinion is maybe so but fuck off im going to Lidl

Every cloudwater beer I've had I've been like "this is the most delicious beer eve-this beer has outstayed its welcome", but then had to finish it because it cost like 6