my position is: there are a lot of insane allegations about what happened in the family, and there have been since the 90s. Neither Mia nor Woody has made anything worth watching in 20 years. These two things are not necessarily related. I do not care about what happens to either of them going forward.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:06 (four years ago) link
I'm guessing Camarederie has watched a Woody Allen film in the last 25 years, though, but would be happy to be wrong
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:06 (four years ago) link
There was a decade long free pass for Woody, and after people in the end began turning on him, an article came out that made a lot of people turn on Mia in minutes.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:11 (four years ago) link
that is not what happened
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:12 (four years ago) link
altho tbh I can't tell if your frame of reference is the general public, the world of film criticism, or ilx - all of which are different
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:17 (four years ago) link
i hate to agree with Fred but I think he's kind of right on that; when did Woody get really dropped by the public? Just a few years ago I feel; like, Blue Jasmine is the last good film of his I'm aware of but he had major distribution up until a few years ago.
― akm, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:20 (four years ago) link
idk what do you mean by "the public"? My mom dropped him when the whole soon-yi thing came out, for ex.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:21 (four years ago) link
Well, part of my frame of reference is that that Brett Stephens article sure got shared by a lot of people I would have expected more of.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:22 (four years ago) link
people I know went and saw his movies in theaters through Blue Jasmine. after that, I don't know anyone who saw a woody allen movie in a theater.
― akm, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:22 (four years ago) link
I don't even know what Brett Stephens article you're referring to.
Mia's alleged treatment of Moses has been publicized previously, if that's what it covers.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:24 (four years ago) link
I mean, Woody has definitely been dropped, Amazon didn't release his films, he can't get funding to make new ones, actors have come out saying they won't work with him. Which is probably exactly why he has gone on the offensive. And I think it's scary to see that it kinda works on some people.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:24 (four years ago) link
oh wait sorry I'm mixing up Moses with Thaddeus
argh don't even want to dig into this shitpile anymore...
xps
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link
No, the Brett Stephens article was in the NYT relating to the book deal thing. Nobody should care about it, but it's a real wtf thing to see friends share a Bedbug-column and saying it's thoughtful. I don't think they know the bedbug.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link
i think the soon-yi relationship was seriously unsettling. even though she was an "adult," there are boundaries you don't cross and i think he is a bad person for pursuing his girlfriend's teenage daughter. i don't care if, subsequently, they had the world's best marriage.
with the dylan accusation, i don't know what happened. it is an extremely serious crime. if he is guilty of it, which he might be, he shouldn't just be canceled, he should go to jail.
― treeship., Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:28 (four years ago) link
We don't know what happened that evening, so he shouldn't go to jail for it, but the fact that his reaction, when Mia Farrow called him saying Dylan had told her something bad happened, was to begin custody proceedings, turning the whole sordid thing public in the first place, should have cost him his career immediately.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link
There's been so much obfuscation by Woody, and his worked. It has absolutely worked.
didn't work that well. i think he is a creep and possibly a child molester.
― treeship., Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:38 (four years ago) link
He had a career for decades afterwards, so I'll say it worked
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:40 (four years ago) link
His latest got a VOD release here. Not like usual, but still. Something changed a bit.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:41 (four years ago) link
hypothetically, if woody wasn't guilty of the crime, what would the correct course of action been? in 1992?
― treeship., Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:43 (four years ago) link
didn't work that well. i think he is a creep and possibly a child molester.― treeship., Tuesday, March 24, 2020 4:38 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― treeship., Tuesday, March 24, 2020 4:38 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
What are you actually arguing about Fred B, we are all on the same page for this. But the only thing you can do is not pay to watch his films, which he still seems to be making, and not buying his book, which seems to be available despite everything. That's it.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 17:01 (four years ago) link
Sorry, unclear, wanted to do a +1 on treeship above
― treeship., 24. marts 2020 17:43 (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Like, anything would have been better than what Woody did. From the custody ruling:
Mr Allen's response to Dylan's claims of sexual abuse was an attack on Ms Farrow, whose parenting ability and emotional stability he impugned without the support of any significant credible evidence. His trail strategy has been to separate his children from their brothers and sisters; to turn the children against their mother; to divide adopted children from biological children; to incite the family against their household help; and to set household employees against each other. His self-absorption, his lack of judgment and his commitment to the continuation of his divisive assault, thereby impeding the healing of the injuries that he has already caused, warrant a careful monitoring of his future contact with his children.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 17:25 (four years ago) link
fair enough. i mean, he was obviously willing to destroy that family by dating soon-yi
― treeship., Tuesday, 24 March 2020 17:40 (four years ago) link
obv fuck Woody, but I mean, sadly I don't know if Mia was "dropped" because of articles so much as she is a 75 year old woman in Hollywood
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 20:58 (four years ago) link
yeah I find people who express certainty about what happened in that family truly baffling
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:10 PM (six hours ago)
yeah, this is how i feel about it too
fwiw i rewatched crimes and misdemeanors a couple weeks ago and i can report that it is now genuinely weird to see woody and mia together onscreen
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:36 (four years ago) link
Just finished Woody Allen's memoir, and for the most part enjoyed it. Questions?— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) June 6, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 7 June 2020 13:30 (three years ago) link
why does anyone like this child rapist
― 1312 (Left), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link
great take
― the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link
Here you go:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/may/29/do-i-really-care-woody-allen-comes-out-fighting
― pomenitul, Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:33 (three years ago) link
u sound like the Sleeper robot tailor a bit xxp
could read thread
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:34 (three years ago) link
i'm not reading that bs
honestly a disgusting thread anyone defending him is scum
― 1312 (Left), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link
you know it all ok millennial
howbout Chaplin?
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:36 (three years ago) link
It's worth reading if you want an answer to your question ('why does anyone like…').
― pomenitul, Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:37 (three years ago) link
smh snowflake millenials not thinking child rape is nbd
fuck chaplin too. and orwell, neruda, picasso, whoever else you want to catch me out with
― 1312 (Left), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:38 (three years ago) link
it was a rhetorical question btw i know why ppl don't care
yeah I know, men suck. unique take there
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:40 (three years ago) link
at least Mia Farrow got good work out of it
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:41 (three years ago) link
scum
― 1312 (Left), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:42 (three years ago) link
that's what some of her abused kids say, true
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:45 (three years ago) link
no need for the periodic fretting over why this board is so male dominated like people don't know
― 1312 (Left), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:47 (three years ago) link
you seem to think this is hilarious, not surprisingly considering what i've seen of your posts
― 1312 (Left), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link
fuck it just ban me i hate this place
― 1312 (Left), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
morbs what were you going for with that perrin tweet, can't read it as anything but trying to troll everyone itt
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:51 (three years ago) link
well trolling everyone except for yourself and shakey (not present)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link
for the record i agree that the farrow family is pretty fucked up but i don't think it's cool to use that as a cudgel in an argument in favor of... woody allen
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:54 (three years ago) link
Caitlin Flanagan has an essay on the Allen book up on the Atlantic's site today. The book really is a salt lick for the country's most loathsome cultural critics, isn't it?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 7 June 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link
I will miss the great contributions of "Left"
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 7 June 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link
if you look at the DP followups, a memoir by Allen that dug into the work wd be of interest, but phaps this is not such a book. I have been seeing the guy's stuff since I was 5 or 6.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 7 June 2020 17:26 (three years ago) link
He is not a great filmmaker.
― Dirty Epic H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:01 (three years ago) link