The way we live now - how will covid-19 change us?

Where did you order from?

Hop Burns & Black in East Dulwich/Peckham kind of way, although they have a Deptford shop as well. No sign of a delivery time though.

Cloudwater is completely out of all its IPAs. It's truly the hipsterpocalypse. (They do have plenty of guest beers to ship, however)

if IPAs the world over are cancelled this will be a glorious day

They price they sell Cloudwater at they'll have bankrupted the country before we all die.

Yes - though much more reasonable from their site than from wind-up merchants like Mother Kelly's who routinely sell tall-boy cans for £8

I got a few of these: https://shop.cloudwaterbrew.co/collections/guest-beers/products/mobberley-brewhouse-spring-ipa

capitalism will get v basic

Cuba can send all of its doctors to the ends of the Earth. But they'll never match the ingenuity of the market. pic.twitter.com/yiSpGEYtKn

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) March 24, 2020

Beer nerds insist that cloudwater prices fairly reflect the cost of all the hi-tech microbiology/alchemy they practice, my scientific opinion is maybe so but fuck off im going to Lidl

Every cloudwater beer I've had I've been like "this is the most delicious beer eve-this beer has outstayed its welcome", but then had to finish it because it cost like 6

I have no memory of any Cloudwater I've had, and I've surely had a few

I'm a bit angry that Amazon has taken down third party selling

has this occurred? This is the first I'm hearing of it

I've been meaning to sell a bunch of records because I never listen to vinyl any more and it's just a big box of stuff I bang my toe on sometimes (plus some more boxes hidden in cupboards) but yeah, as you say it's not really the time now

fwiw I relisted a bunch of previously unsold eBay shit right before this pandemic really escalated and half of the items have bids on them at the moment, so you may wanna try anyway. I mean, you have the time!

Only two mentions of Cloudwater here: UK beer in the new era

One is aldo mysteriously describing them as 'the stars of the scene' and the other is Albert R Broccoli sampling an international delivery with mild approval

Now I'm remembering harder, I now think they might be one of those perennial offenders in the 'bland slightly buzzy sours' department. Where the first sip is 'wow yes that is a sour' and the rest is, as Biscuits says, a slightly tedious chore

I think their beers are quite nice! Just insanely expensive

Yeah I would never deny the tastiness of fancy beers but they are for wealthy people who don't like getting drunk

Aldi had a load of "craft beers" for £1 each, I got 5 types - 2 were undrinkable, 2 were fairly standard, 1 was actually quite nice, so have been back for that one since then, forgotten the name but it's sort of a dark orange with three gurning gargoyle thingies on the side.

I wouldn’t call myself wealthy so much as profligate and irresponsible tbf, destroying my liver with the tasty stuff is my avocado toast 😃

yeah well I guess to some people all alcohol is a luxury rmde

It's going to be a really bad time for the people self-isolating with alcoholics, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 10:32 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

ive been waiting for my time to shine, up til now my childhood was a handicap

Thornbridge and Fourpure are both doing very fine sours available cheaply at Tesco atm, especially the former's Florida Weisse

Everything is horrific and upsetting enough without introducing sour beers into the equation.

I was about to say, this thread naturally includes "how will covid-19 not change us?" but a reminder that people will still feel free to start talking about shite beers in any thread seems particularly hurtful.

(my definition of shite beers includes all beer, but we can probably get a consensus together that we can live with)

Though I was amused to see that untapped says that someone in the last few hours has been drinking a CloudWater beer on draft - in South Korea.

I've been meaning to sell a bunch of records because I never listen to vinyl any more and it's just a big box of stuff I bang my toe on sometimes (plus some more boxes hidden in cupboards) but yeah, as you say it's not really the time now

― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 11:55 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

fwiw I relisted a bunch of previously unsold eBay shit right before this pandemic really escalated and half of the items have bids on them at the moment, so you may wanna try anyway. I mean, you have the time!

― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 13:22 (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

up till now when i've considered this (as a sometime music writer with a lot of unplayed vinyl, some of it in not-terrible condition lol) i've assumed it meant taking parcels to the post office (as i do with books and ABE)

not sure this is now possible under UK lockdown conditions? are there alternatives? (i do indeed have time to start listing things tho)

(not really the thread for the conversation maybe but since the discussion was started)

I see that off-licences are now allowed to open as "essential". now, I like a good booze and wouldn't have argued if they hadn't shut in the first place, but opening them especially does seem a bit odd

(I guess it's not good for their survival if people get even more used to going to the supermarkets for booze instead, but then that's true for other kinds of shop currently closed)

anyway I hope the wine shop near here will still go ahead with the home delivery scheme they just announced, as I was mentally drawing up a list & don't fancy my chances of making it half a mile down the main road without passing anyone. there's also a microbrewery nearby doing home deliveries, but their beers are 90% sour beers that mr spacecadet doesn't like - so, hello, fellow sour-beer-dislikers. (me, I don't even like beer...)

My final batch of CDs for the time being finished on Monday night, and I still have some packages to take. If you have a lot it's better to use the Drop & Go facility where you just stick it behind the counter and they do it all for you, but maybe not the most practical time to be signing up to that? But post offices will remain open I guess, otherwise how will OAPs send letters of complaint to their local newspaper about all this lockdown nonsense?

Also, auctions are doing very well right now as everyone's stuck at home, just saying.

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they're keeping the govt-run wine&liquor stores open in Quebec so people don't ram the grocery stores just trying to buy alcohol

my brother in Georgia also just told me that gun stores have been deemed "essential services" there

Yes, how else are you going to fight off the brown people coming for your canned goods

post offices are still open as an "essential service" under lockdown, but it might not be the time to do regular journeys with armfuls of things requiring individual attention, it's true

I think there's some service where you can weigh parcels yourself and buy prepaid postage labels online to print at home? or where you can start an account online and just drop them off to be weighed and posted without waiting and get billed online? (xps, I think the latter is "Drop & Go" as Matt #2 says, not sure if the former still exists as I can't find it on their site)

there's a thread for discogs sellers/buyers - discogs marketplace? - where people would probably know more, or maybe everyone's reading these threads more keenly than their usual threads anyway

Yes some offies are delivery hubs. Ours (booze and expensive snacks shop) has started selling loo roll etc and is delivering essentials to people.

i took the parcels query to the discogs thread

It seems obvious that the ability to travel is going to change massively? Like we already knew how bad it was for carbon emissions but we've also glorified it so much for so long, and tbh it's hugely enjoyable if you can do in the way that seems best to you. But it's not a "right" and it's not good for places that are more tourist attractions than places for people to live (Venice, Dubrovnik, et al?). Maybe it will be un-normalized and we'll all stay home/local more, and go back to driving to Natl Parks for recreation instead of flying to Cabo.

it's kind of weird because i've never, like, flown to cabo?

we were planning to fly to georgia to visit my wife's sister. that seems to me like a more prevalent flight use case than cabo. so, i don't know, my wife never seeing her sister again? too soon to think about.

heh, yeah. i haven't taken a "real" vacation in a few years, since my honeymoon - by "real vacation" i mean an instagram vacation where your pictures astonish your friends. a lot of my friends make it a priority, though, visiting lovely beaches around the world several times a year somehow.

by "a lot of my friends" i mean people i once who knew but who i still follow on instagram

(xposts) I had a split-second of panic coming out of the post office yesterday (I've got a PO box and drop in every couple of days); it was empty when I went in, but exiting there were people on either side of me about 2-3 feet away. What a way to live.

I live 800 miles from my parents so I'm not un-affected. I do, though, think about what it meant to move away from yr fam before the internet, or before telephone service was common, or when you got in a wagon and drove away and maybe never saw your parents again. I have also read a lot of frontier novels and diaries and personal histories, tbf.

Had a moment of genuine panic thinking about what would happen if the expected winter epidemic happened around Christmas time.

xp Paul Ponzi: I buy nearly all physical media used. On my Amazon "wishlists", third party seller offers haven't been listed, only new prices from Amazon.

less fucking in cars?

Malgré les mesures de confinement, un couple de trentenaires s'est retrouvé dans un véhicule pour partager du bon temps sur une base de loisirs située à Muret, au sud de Toulouse. Ils pensaient être à l'abri des regards...

Ils n’ont pas résisté à l’appel de la chair. Mais ça va leur coûter cher. Ce lundi après-midi, lors d’une opération de contrôles d’attestation déployée à Muret, les gendarmes de Haute-Garonne ont repéré un véhicule suspect stationné sur l’aire de loisirs du lac des Bonnets. Même pas vraiment à l’écart.

En s’approchant de l’habitacle de la Mini, les militaires n’ont pu que constater l’évidence. Âgées d’une trentaine d’années, ces deux personnes à moitié dénudées passaient manifestement du bon temps. Écourté par les forces de l’ordre. Vite, on se rhabille.

Mais plutôt que de faire profil bas, l’homme a quelque peu invectivé les gendarmes de Muret. « Pays de merde ! », a-t-il notamment lancé. Lui, comme sa douce, ont été verbalisés : 135 € d’amende. L’histoire ne dit pas quelle case ils avaient cochée sur l’attestation de sortie...

xxp tbh the latest news - that the virus isn’t mutating much - means that if spread is high enough over the next few months, enough of the country should be immune to prevent this. The minor mutations mean the vaccine, when it comes, will be more akin to vaccinating for measles than the flu.

Yeah there is middle ground between "never seeing again" and "every year"

Yeah but iirc there are environmental guidelines that suggest ppl limit flying to 1x per year, and in theory if we moved closer to that norm, if you use your flight to visit your family then all your vacations are gonna be not European/not tropical/not lovely beaches around the world like Karl said. I'd be happy if train travel got a big boost actually.

I was thinking today about my grandfather and how obsessive he was about always having extra food around because he lived through the Depression, and realizing that we're all going to be like that from now on.

too early to tell. Depression lasted over a decade!

It seems obvious that the ability to travel is going to change massively? Like we already knew how bad it was for carbon emissions but we've also glorified it so much for so long, and tbh it's hugely enjoyable if you can do in the way that seems best to you. But it's not a "right" and it's not good for places that are more tourist attractions than places for people to live (Venice, Dubrovnik, et al?). Maybe it will be un-normalized and we'll all stay home/local more, and go back to driving to Natl Parks for recreation instead of flying to Cabo.

― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:55 AM (six hours ago)bookmarkflaglink

It's not just carbon emissions.

Even before the cause of white-nose syndrome was identified, Al Hicks and his colleagues suspected an introduced species. Whatever was killing the bats was presumably something they’d never encountered before, since the mortality rate was so high. Meanwhile, the syndrome was spreading from upstate New York in a classic bull’s-eye pattern. This seemed to indicate that the killer had touched down near Albany. Suggestively, when the die-off began to make national news, a spelunker sent Hicks some photographs he’d shot about forty miles west of the city.
The photos dated from 2006, a full year before Hicks’s coworkers had called him to say “Holy shit,” and they showed bats with clear signs of white-nose. The spelunker had taken his pictures in a cave connected to Howe Caverns, a popular tourist destination which offers, among other attractions, flashlight tours and underground boat trips.

“It’s kind of interesting that the first record we have of this is photographs from a commercial cave in New York that gets about two hundred thousand visits a year,” Hicks told me.

Re: driving to National Parks, flying to Cabo and "rights" http://fvjzk13ui2.pdfcloud.org/dl2.php?id=60737078&h=ee3b9d54b996c8087973382fda02d72a&u=cache&ext=pdf&n=The%20sixth%20extinction%20an%20unnatural%20history%20by%20elizabeth%20kolbert#page189"> see Chapter X - The New Pangea

Out of choice, I haven't flown anywhere since 2002 so if this all results in fewer people flying, then good cos I will feel like less of a freak.

On my Amazon "wishlists", third party seller offers haven't been listed, only new prices from Amazon.

― Sanpaku, Wednesday, March 25, 2020 3:46 PM

If you go into the item pages, the used sellers are still listed. Amazon has done this before and I hate it because I regularly browse to see what's getting scarce or changing significantly in price and my wishlists are colossal, so I hope they change it back. Seems a bit shady.

A friend, a father of three (grade 6 girl, a couple of younger boys), wondered today, "I get depressed in particular thinking about ______ (and to some extent, ______)--what kind of 'developmental' time is this? How many kids are going to grow up completely screwed up by all this? Socially, at least." I didn't have an answer.

Two things will definitely change in my own life. One I posted about in the economic thread--a fund I invested in that I will extricate myself from pronto, if it ever gets back to par.

The other is so basic I'm almost embarrassed to say so: if it's not too cold out (probably not often in the winter as a whole), I will leave the car in the driveway and make short trips to the grocery store or for coffee on foot. Understand that I've had a life-long love affair with driving, very much tied in with the experience of listening to music in a car--really, it's the only place I ever listen to music anymore. But I've come to love the twilight-turning-dark walks around town I've gone on every night for the past two-plus weeks, in spite of (I hope not because of) how desolate it is out there.

This is a how-will-COVID-19-not-change-the-world post, but there (thankfully) isn't a thread for that, so I'll put it here: people will still argue about Dylan's-back pronouncements.

I mean, there's a chance this will stop that!

As someone who lives about 10 minutes (by car or train) from a major airport, I gotta say it's kind of nice to hear almost no planes and to hear lots and lots of birds.