Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

What if he has to drop out after he has the nomination, won't it then go to his vp pick? That seems a lot cleaner

I would think so as well. But we're discussing a very hypothetical scenario where Biden drops dead - without naming a successor - too late for another campaign to restart, but too early for him to name a vp.

I have no doubt a lot of Bernie-voters would feel disenfranchised rather than defeated. That's what they felt last time, and it seems like a lot already feels like that no matter what this time. But with the not-so-great result Bernie has had this time around, I think the party would care more about the majority who wanted an establishment moderate shithead. Sorry, candidate.

this pandemic has by and large had a softening effect on my heart, made me instinctively kinder, more patient and understanding

and yet

if biden dies or something his delegates will rally behind someone like klobuchar.

she's never lost an election!!!

if I knew back then what I know now
If I understood the what, when, why and how.
Now it's clear to me. What I should have done.
I should have ran for higher office after my landslide victory
in the 8th grade national honor society vice presidential-election
When I still had never lost an election
But hindsight is 20/20 vision ..

we've all missed our opportunities

i won the Catholic county spelling bee in 8th grade, but I couldn't leverage that

I could elected to school council as the communist / satanist candidate.

Also I was, like, the only one left who hadn't been elected before at that point.

I know this is a silly question, but how would the Blue No Matter Who crowd react if Bernie was accused of sexual assault?

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) March 26, 2020

I will say this about the Biden campaign, his adviser @RonaldKlain is a legitimate expert on pandemic response and would be infinitely better than Mike Pence or Jared Kushner.

— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) March 26, 2020

I really don't think anyone should ever spend time on these things if they aren't willing to take a stand on the veracity of the allegation.

This is utter (and unsurprising) horseshit.

The main reason I find it hard to believe is that it's the second story Tara Reade has told about Biden, it's completely different than the first one, and she is now saying she was adjusting the first story make it more believable among the other allegations. But that this is the one that is true. That gives me pause a lot.

― Frederik B, Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:00 PM (yesterday)

i agree w/ this. i'm not gonna form a definite opinion on this allegation till a credible journalist looks into it, but the degree to which her story has changed since she first told it gives me some serious doubts about it. frankly i think it was pretty unethical of the intercept to run a story about this without even trying to vet her accusation. i found all the WHY ISN'T THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA MENTIONING THIS crap on twitter to be pretty ridiculous -- as if any serious news outlet is going to publish such a serious charge against a candidate without investigating it first.

In the Intercept article it's specfically mentioned that she told her mother, brother, and a friend about the 1993 incident at the time, and that they reached out to the brother and the the friend (the mother has since died), who both confirmed they heard about it from her back then. Does it make sense to you that someone would come up with a false claim, tell her close ones about it but remain otherwise silent for over 25 years, and only then speak about in public?

The rape victim logic police are on the case I see

Have you made up your mind, Simon?

It’s Tara Reade’s word against a man whose Presidential campaign was sunk in 1987 due to his lying.

A Yahoo story published yesterday afternoon.

It mostly retells The Intercept story.

Have you made up your mind, Simon?

only that I've made up my mind not to do this:

Does it make sense to you that someone would come up with a false claim, tell her close ones about it but remain otherwise silent for over 25 years, and only then speak about in public?

Saw the interview in The Hill. The story changed again. I'm sorry, I don't believe this.

Also, whatever else it is, it's really bad journalism.

Here's where I stand at the moment. Quite a few media outlets could have been selected over The Intercept and a notorious Russia denier (and doesn't Jeremy Scahill face his own assault allegations?); any them would kill for the chance to destroy the Dem prez frontrunner.

Also, to think these allegations wouldn't have been known in 2008 when Biden got vetted as vice president stretches credulity. You'd think a hint of this behavior would've scared the people around the first black prez nominee in history.

Sorry -- I meant Taibbi, not Scahill.

The reason to do a second interview is to find out if her story is consistent. Letting her do it on Skype from her home means we don't know if she is using notes. It's useless. I'm kinda horrified by how leftist outlets are handling this.

Sounds like me too was a waste of time

1. Blasey Ford never changed her story

2. Al Franken had eight allegations of specific behavior, including a photo; he had to step down and rightly so.

3. Reade's story has changed three times.

4. Reade wrote a (deleted) Medium piece in which praised Putin, then appears with Taibbi, who has his own baggage.

Let a credible newspaper investigate, by all means. At this moment it looks like Russian ratfucking.

Eh, no need to involve Russians.

If a credible newspaper doesn't investigate there's nothing there, yes, and anyway it's Putin. Ok.

You mean would I take it a little more seriously if Ronan Farrow had interviewed Reade instead of Halper and Taibbi? Yes. It's not even a question.

Reade is interviewed by Halper and co-host Taibbi, the latter with his own baggage. Now touching the neck (inappropriate, creepy; not what Brett Kavanaugh, Al Franken, and Trump were accused of) has changed to sexual assault. I'm dubious.

I'm not sure Taibbi was involved in either interview?

yeah, should've written "whose co-host."

Letting her do it on Skype from her home means we don't know if she is using notes. It's useless.

Jesus fucking christ lmao, even youtube/yahoo news comment sections about Michael Jackson's accusers don't go as low as this. And of course allegations of sexual misconduct against an old white man who's enjoyed positions of extreme authority over countless people, many of them women, for many decades, have to be more irrefutable evidence of the dastardly skein that is the RuSsIaN CoNsPiRaCy. Just no way at all that the lecherous old creep that sucks his wife's fingers in public, laughed off Anita Hill's similar accusations against Clarence Thomas, and sent Barbara Boxer a box of roses for winning her first senate primary (ugh) could ever POSSIBLY have done something like what he's being accused of! Not until the "credible" new outlets (who've done such a bang up job in all aspects when it comes to covering this primary's candidates and presidential candidates accused of sexual misconduct in general...) the true arbiters of all factual opinions have spoken thusly are we allowed to believe women. Not like they have anything to lose or risk coming forward with allegations against the former vice president of the united states of all people. Probably just an actor with a teleprompter telling her what to say...

...Like do y'all even read the shit you post?? I get that this site's demographics trend something obscene like 10-1 Men to Women in terms of the ratio of posters on here, so you don't get checked nearly as often as you should when saying inexcusably dumb shit like this, but still. Do better man.

She is definitely consulting a written account during her interview on The Hill. And right around the time where she changes her story from what she told Katie Halper. No, this is not true.

trevor, I'm friends with female journalists who try to do these stories. You don't do them like this. It's not fair to Tara Reade either.

https://youtu.be/ZmVUQ7ii3_4?t=421

The next part after 'You're nothing' was supposed to be that Biden then says 'You're okay, you're fine'. Instead she says he walked away, then becomes confused, checks her notes. https://www.reddit.com/r/OurPresident/comments/foyfxy/transcript_of_joe_bidens_accuser_tara_reade/

And that is why you don't do these things on Skype.

Who needs Ronan Farrow when you've got Fred on the case?

I'm really not in the mood for doing this. Can we please just comment on the facts?

Big change in overall tone here on this board and elsewhere when it isn't a rapper, filmmaker, indie rocker, or pundit being accused of this disgusting shit. Suddenly "believe women" has an asterisk. I guess this is the end result of Vote Blue No Matter Who? Frankly pretty despicable imo

Just doing facts tho'.

Seriously, stop that bullshit. I didn't believe the Avenotti Kavanaugh accusation either. When women were coming forward against Peter Aalbæk - Lars von Triers producer - there were eight stories that seemed true and most of them were corroborated. Then a ninth story was much more serious than the rest, the accuser was anonymous, and there was nothing to back it up. I doubted that story too. This story seems false.

What's despicable is ignoring the facts of this accusation, ignoring the underlying hypothetical sexual assault, and using the story to score points.

My baseline assumption is to believe women, but if there's red flags, I don't ignore them.

using the story to score points.

hmm

Fred B., Letch Detective

Nice frontrunner you have there. Be a shame if something happened to him.

Has anyone other than me seen the video? Have any thoughts?

No, you are the only one. Congratulations!