Hey, and Billy Joel's in there, too. In fact, it's the first song he asks Wolfman to play. I admire the inclusivity.
― timellison, Friday, 27 March 2020 18:27 (four years ago) link
Friend just pointed out the arrangement sounds like Ghosteen, kinda.
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Friday, March 27, 2020 11:53 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah there's a strong cave feeling. i was reminded of higgs boson blues, mostly cause of all the references.
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Friday, 27 March 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link
Play Oscar Peterson, play Stan GetzPlay "Blue Sky," play Dickie Betts
― timellison, Friday, 27 March 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link
I found this pretty lovely. The lyrics idk I heard less than half of them but found them pretty disarming, laughed a few times. Definitely felt like it could be a matter of faith whether I took them as poignant or just daft but I’m not sure what I would have to gain from being a scepticI’m not a Dylan person really but desolation row is one of my all time faves so that might explain itDon’t really care about Kennedy at all don’t @ me
― felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Friday, 27 March 2020 18:33 (four years ago) link
"play Don Henleyplay Glenn Frey"well, yeah
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 March 2020 18:33 (four years ago) link
I love this
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 March 2020 18:34 (four years ago) link
On the Waterfront reference?
Play Nat King Cole, play "Nature Boy"Play "Down in the Boondocks" for Terry Malloy
― timellison, Friday, 27 March 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
i enjoyed the rhymes & the references he grabbed to complete them were idk, just enjoyable from a writing standpoint either for silliness or outthereness etc
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 March 2020 18:36 (four years ago) link
Dylan's entire studio protest output is basically about 13 songs off his first four albums, and that is only if you include stuff like "A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall".
― Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR)
some of those songs are pretty decent tho
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 27 March 2020 18:40 (four years ago) link
This is an obvious reference but it's making me think of (70s) Waits if anything. I love the arrangement.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 27 March 2020 18:59 (four years ago) link
Who am I kidding - these are weird times and this is destroying me.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 27 March 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link
Listening for the first time, haven't read anything above.
Very striking...It's not "Desolation Row," but I know how silly it is to even say that; it's not the same person who made "Desolation Row," so why would it be? The music's beautiful, and I'm more comfortable with the vocal than most of what I've dipped into the past couple of decades. Putting out a Kennedy song right now is perversely vintage.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 19:15 (four years ago) link
Dylan has spent so much time just referring to the musicians before him that it is totally disarming to hear him reference those who came after him. Like that 70s interview where he praised Alice Cooper felt odd (and true) enough.
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Friday, 27 March 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
Bob was friends with Kurtis Blow
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 March 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link
The Beatles thing is interesting because it sounds like a putdown, yet Dylan is the author of my favourite Beatles-love quote ever, the one about driving through Colorado in 1964.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link
xxp Or the Alicia Keys verse in "Thunder on the Mountain."
― morrisp, Friday, 27 March 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
For anyone who's never read it...
Then, when we were driving through Colorado we had the radio on and eight of the ten top songs were Beatles songs. In Colorado! ‘I Wanna Hold Your Hand,’ all those early ones.
They were doing things nobody was doing. Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid. You could only do that with other musicians. Even if you’re playing your own chords you had to have other people playing with you. That was obvious. And it started me thinking about other people.
But I just kept it to myself that I really dug them. Everybody else thought they were for the teenyboppers, that they were gonna pass right away. But it was obvious to me that they had staying power. I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go. I was not about to put up with other musicians, but in my head the Beatles were it. In Colorado, I started thinking it was so far out that I couldn’t deal with it — eight in the Top Ten. It seemed to me a definite line was being drawn. This was something that never happened before. It was outrageous, and I kept it in my mind. You see, there was a lot of hypocrisy all around, people saying it had to be either folk or rock. But I knew it didn’t have to be like that. I dug what the Beatles were doing, and I always kept it in mind from back then.
Greatest use of the word "outrageous" ever.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 19:41 (four years ago) link
that is cool, thx for posting clemenza
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 March 2020 19:50 (four years ago) link
"In Colorado!" That kills me every time.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 19:55 (four years ago) link
they used to throw horses off of cliffs together iirc
― Οὖτις, Friday, 27 March 2020 19:56 (four years ago) link
I also dig the reference to Paula Abdul while in New Orleans recording Oh Mercy.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 March 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
re:Chronicles and others---fits current discussion, and I've always found it disturbing. Keeps coming back into my head uninvited (as does "Desolation Row," but don't mind that one): https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2005/03/10/i-is-someone-else/
― dow, Friday, 27 March 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
My computer has probs posting YouTubes here, but check for his track w Kurtis Blow.
― dow, Friday, 27 March 2020 20:02 (four years ago) link
Dickie Betts?
― calstars, Friday, 27 March 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link
"oh you like Ozzy? What about Ratt? You like Ratt?"https://youtu.be/cntGcbU3nM8
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 March 2020 20:42 (four years ago) link
Probably super uncool and unhelpfully obvious but this makes me think of "Rave on John Donne"
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 27 March 2020 20:45 (four years ago) link
that 80s street interview is one of my favorite Bob artifacts
― Οὖτις, Friday, 27 March 2020 20:49 (four years ago) link
That clip is priceless.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link
I experienced that once in an autograph lineup for Bobby Hull: famous old males are very receptive to getting their picture taken with younger females.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
Dylan's entire studio protest output is basically about 13 songs off his first four albums
this is unfair to "George Jackson" and "Hurricane" imo, but point taken
― sleeve, Friday, 27 March 2020 20:59 (four years ago) link
I love in one of those AJ Weberman calls when Bob turns his nose up at just abt every living songwriter except Gordon Lightfoot. "Yeah...he's alright" (or something to that effect)
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:00 (four years ago) link
^see: Scorsese's movie about Dylan
― morrisp, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:14 (four years ago) link
Beatles bit didn't strike me as a putdown. (And their chords WERE outrageous.)
― timellison, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:14 (four years ago) link
They hadn't even gotten to "A Hard Day's Night" yet.
― timellison, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:15 (four years ago) link
But in some sense some of those early Beatlemania smashes like "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "She Loves You" were the most outrageous.
― timellison, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:17 (four years ago) link
"oh you like Ozzy? What about Ratt? You like Ratt?"https://youtu.be/cntGcbU3nM8― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, March 27, 2020 4:42 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
https://youtu.be/cntGcbU3nM8
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, March 27, 2020 4:42 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
OMG, I have seen just about every clip of Dylan known to man, but never seen this. Thanks for posting it. That might be the most generous I've ever seen Bob with anyone.
― Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:24 (four years ago) link
the whole doc is fantastic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pS8rM_MsIY
new song rules
― tylerw, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:43 (four years ago) link
whoah there's MORE?!?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link
Anyway, Murder Most Foul is something else. The overall feel is excellent; it's funny and sad at the same time. The music really sets the mood. There are a bunch of great individual lines and a few magical moments where he leans into a phrase.
This section is great:
I hate to tell you, mister, but only dead men are freeSend me some lovin', then tell me no lieThrow the gun in the gutter and walk on byWake up, little Susie, let's go for a driveCross the Trinity River, let's keep hope aliveTurn the radio on, don't touch the dialsParkland hospital, only six more milesYou got me dizzy, Miss Lizzy, you filled me with leadThat magic bullet of yours has gone to my headI'm just a patsy like Patsy ClineNever shot anyone from in front or behindI've blood in my eye, got blood in my earI'm never gonna make it to the new frontier
This song belongs in the long tradition of Dylan songs, like Tangled Up in Blue, with a radically shifting narrative viewpoint. In the case of Murder Most Foul, it shifts among a third person almost historical viewpoint, a 1963 viewpoint, the perpetrators' viewpoint, and Kennedy's own viewpoint. I love this shit.
It strikes me as something in his younger days he might have been able to wrestle into a more formidable, devastating form. Like there is an A+ 10 minute song lurking in this monstrosity.
― Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link
It could've been "Brownsville Girl."
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link
Beatles bit didn't strike me as a putdown.― timellison
I'm listening again and you might be right. I may have been influenced by a review I skimmed.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:56 (four years ago) link
Hope someone makes an epic video for it. Something other than Kennedy footage...I don't know what. I thought the "Like a Rolling Stone" video with all the TV stations was incredible--something out of left field like that.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:58 (four years ago) link
xpost yeah PKBT I love it, he's so chill and accommodating....also just Bob Dylan talking about Ratt makes my day every time
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 March 2020 21:59 (four years ago) link
he's the opposite of chill in the rest of that doc, haha
― tylerw, Friday, 27 March 2020 22:01 (four years ago) link
oh yeah? that's all I've seen but I can imagine
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 March 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link
posted upthread — Getting To Dylan. It's mostly an extremely irritated interview with Bob during the filming of Hearts Of Fire.
― tylerw, Friday, 27 March 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link
Dylan is like Pynchon in that he likes people and hates systems.
― Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Friday, 27 March 2020 22:11 (four years ago) link
New song is great and his voice hasn’t sounded this good in, what, 40 years ? I really wonder from which session this was culled
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 27 March 2020 22:49 (four years ago) link
people seem pretty convinced it's a Tempest outtake, I'm not so sure, could be from the Sinatra era ... For a couple tours now, he's been doing spare, piano-led versions of "Girl From North Country" and "Boots of Spanish Leather" that this kind of recalls.
The "for the last 50 years" line would place it in 2013 if you're being strict, but uhhh I think that's a mistake when we're talking about Bob Dylan.
― tylerw, Friday, 27 March 2020 23:00 (four years ago) link
Altho I'm not a fan of Great American Songbook moves (World Gone Wrong and Good As I Been To You notwithstanding) his voice on the recent records has been markedly better. Post quitting smoking, I'm told.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 27 March 2020 23:06 (four years ago) link