Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

i think we can all just agree that we hope biden picks warren as his running mate and then dies immediately after the election.

i think this is going to stick to biden, honestly. people of my generation and younger, especially younger, already hate him. and the thing they hate most is white male entitlement.

Is that damage already baked in though, do these allegations really make all that much difference?

They already know they have a candidate that may not be up to scratch, the question is what, if anything, they do about it. Presumably nothing can happen until after he wins the nomination

There were a lot more to it as well, at least wrt Weinstein. Settlements, people who had worked at Miramax backing the stories up. The original stories by Jodi Kantor & Megan Twohey and Ronan Farrow are incredible journalism.

Continue to be baffled by anyone that seriously puts forward the argument that every accuser must be believed by default, and that to do otherwise is a miscarriage of justice borne of sexism and misogyny. The fact that some people on the left vociferously take this position is a failing that the right is eager to exploit. Every case should be evaluated on its merits and within its specific context. And it should be taken as a given that the court of public opinion will be messy and imperfect and rife with misinformation, distortions, and bad faith arguments, even moreso than the legal arena.

that being said I have no opinion of this specific case because, as I said, I haven't seen anything about it (and no I'm not scrolling up to watch some bs tv news crap)

(My own position on this is I don't feel qualified to have an opinion on it and I'm aiming to steer clear of making pronouncements either way)

Although each and every accuser there was much more believable than this one.

Reade filed a contemporaneous complaint and had eyewitnesses at the time of the alleged incident and spoke with US Senate officials, went to her local media, the Time's Up nonprofit, and the National Women's Law Center. What more do you want someone coming forward with allegations like this to do or provide as evidence exactly? How many of Weinstein and Cosby's accusers provided half as much information or went to half as many outlets and avenues to get their story out? Like an out of court settlement is the ultimate influencing factor between you deciding a woman making these allegations is a paid Russian influence reading a script or someone unquestionably telling the truth? You know some people are in positions of power high enough that they don't ever need to go to court to make incidents and people making allegations like this against them go away in the first place right?

who is this new poster

just curious

i think it's pretty clear that someone who's told at least three distinct versions of a single story is not "unquestionably telling the truth."

reade published this in january. you can decide for yourself whether it helps her credibility:

https://medium.com/@AlexandraTaraReade/the-politics-of-standing-in-your-truth-is-joe-biden-the-blue-trump-b70468082841

*Have my pulse checked every 20 minutes
*Challenge staff to feats of strength
*Nuzzle the necks of female staff
*Watch video of me from previous day, so I remember who I am
*Tell long stories about my youth to no one in particular
*Make American lives even more miserable pic.twitter.com/74RIPpyByO

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) March 27, 2020

Yeah, that version from January fits with neither the old story or the new one.

truly inspiring

If I were President, here's what I would do right now:

- Use all available authorities to turn the tide on this epidemic
- Launch a task force to ensure money rapidly gets to people who need it
- Bring leaders of Congress together to build the next deal https://t.co/F14kf8MRUF

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) March 26, 2020

he forgot the Blue Ribbon Commission

Top men working on it.

brilliant plan

...those are all things that trump can also say he is doing

i don't blame biden at this point. he is very old and he probably wishes he could just kick his feet up.

i blame his team. his team sucks.

also, he sucks

i blame him for thinking it was ok to run for president in a half-assed way

also for being a liar. he has constantly been misrepresenting his record. i wish bernie had pulled out actual quotes -- date and time etc. -- during the last debate.

i think it's pretty clear that someone who's told at least three distinct versions of a single story is not "unquestionably telling the truth."

reade published this in january. you can decide for yourself whether it helps her credibility:

https://medium.com/@AlexandraTaraReade/the-politics-of-standing-in-your-truth-is-joe-biden-the-blue-trump-b70468082841

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, March 27, 2020 12:29 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is p gross. victims of sexual assault often give conflicting accounts. common effect of trauma. treating it as a gotcha is dumb

(im not commenting on this case which I know nothing about. although I assume biden has sexually assaulted someone at some stage of his life)

i agree. but the sad thing is, it can't be taken for granted she is telling the truth either. it's a black box. erring on the side of one account or the other doesn't really make sense. there needs to be, i guess, better reporting trying to corroborate that story or identify a pattern of behavior.

kinda not inclined to trust anyone that seriously writes self-professed "pro-Russia blog posts"

i love russia

"gross" is just what we call everything now i guess

Can people who don't know anything about this case stop calling people who have read up on the case 'gross'?

Yes, stories from survivors change all the time, but seriously, not like this.

Y’all are disgusting

Can people who don't know anything about this case stop calling people who have read up on the case 'gross'?

― Frederik B, 27. marts 2020 21:51 (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Y’all are disgusting

― Ok bloomer (latebloomer), 27. marts 2020 22:22 (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sigh, that's not what I meant...

speaking of disgusting

President Putin scares the power elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring, visionary leader. President Putin has higher approval ratings in America then the American President. President Putin is beloved by Russia and he not going anywhere. Instead of being ensnared in the recent political intrigues (and America is trying hard to set that trap). President Putin is keeping a calm focus on his own country’s development and future, without America.

In Russia, President runs for you.

I've been told this is satire.

I can't support anyone who uses "then" instead of "than," I don't care who they're accusing of what.

Ok she’s def working for Russia then I get it cased closed.

Because that’s what you’re implying here right? Either that or “she has nutty opinions so she’s unreliable about her assault? “

Just come out and say it if that’s what you think.

thought I was pretty clear tbh

(maybe yr talking to someone else idk)

a conspiracy theorist making a politically significant charge against a high profile public figure, which is not getting any coverage by actual journalists... yeah that's a lot of alarm bells imo

maybe conspiracy theorist isn't the right term there. crackpot?

but the sad thing is, it can't be taken for granted she is telling the truth either. it's a black box. erring on the side of one account or the other doesn't really make sense. there needs to be, i guess, better reporting trying to corroborate that story or identify a pattern of behavior.

Eight women have come forward against Biden making sexual harassment claims & at least one sexual assault. Say their names:
-Lucy Flores
-Amy Lappos
-D.J Hill
-Caitlyn Caruso
-Ally Coll
-Sofie Karasek
-Vail Kohnert-Yount
-Tara Reade

It's time to #UnEndorseBiden #TimesUpBiden

— #IBelieveTara (@PepperOceanna) March 27, 2020

How many more women need to publicly come forward with similar allegations of misconduct before you're able to successfully "identify a pattern of behavior" from the guy who silenced eyewitness testimony in support of Anita Hill, said a woman doesn't have the right to her own body, and claims the Supreme Court went too far in deciding Roe v. Wade? Refusing to see glaring evidence of a pattern of conduct doesn't mean it isn't there. And you don't need hard blood and DNA evidence that rarely exists outside of CSI and other similar fiction when it comes to long-term allegations like this to have the courtesy of giving the woman, the one who actually has everything to lose going public with such allegations compared to the former vice president of the United States, the initial benefit of the doubt without rushing to poke every possible hole in her story (that she probably still isn't comfortable fully sharing considering the repercussions she's already had to deal with trying to tell it, if you're so curious as to why it might still be changing!) and calling her a RuSsIaN aSsEt like a ghoul (not saying you personally did that but sadly I can't say the same about others in this thread).

I believe the seven credible stories

again, the version of her story she's telling now is not similar to the other claims (including the claim she made earlier), so it doesn't fit the "pattern of conduct" that we've seen with biden. and nobody's doubted the earlier claims against him. and, frankly, not many ppl on this board were enthusiastic about biden as a person or as a candidate. there are specific reasons why this accusation is being doubted.

Not a single person on ILX is enthusiastic about Biden.

Deservedly.

i blame him for thinking it was ok to run for president in a half-assed way

The Dem primary electorate seems to also think it was OK, though.:(

There's a write up in Vox: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation The medium post from January is what led to new media interest, which led to her now telling a story that really doesn't fit with that medium post either. This story is obviously made up.

Reade, for her part, said she did not include the assault accusation when she spoke out last year because the harassment was easier to talk about, in part because others had witnessed it.

“I wanted to share the whole thing, but at the same time I was too scared,” she said. “I just wasn’t quite ready.”

Since then, Grim has contacted Reade’s friend and brother, both of whom say she told them about the alleged sexual assault by Biden in 1993.

“Woefully, I did not encourage her to follow up,” her brother told the Intercept. “I wasn’t one of her better advocates. I said let it go, move on, guys are idiots.”

Yeah, that's another part where the story changes. From TheIntercept: In that first interview, she decided to tell a piece of the story, she said, that matched what had happened to Flores — plus, she had filed a contemporaneous complaint, and there were witnesses, so she considered the allegation bulletproof.

The Dem primary electorate seems to also think it was OK, though.:(

central flaw of "democratic republics": voters are amateurs and/or dumb