outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

Meanwhile.

Things you didnt realize were true until they stopped - A South African refinery has stopped shipping gold to London because of a lack of commercial flights, adding to the disruption that’s upending the physical bullion market. @FelixNijinihttps://t.co/iCE7lccKaR pic.twitter.com/vklQWpDcq7

— Adam Tooze (@adam_tooze) March 28, 2020

IMO the US and other countries should do a reset, seize everybody's funds, then start everybody over with 20,000 dollars in their accounts.

including billionaires.

I think I remember reading that in U.S. distribution of GDP (obv different than redistributing assets) would be 50-60K per person

but rn i wld be down with 20 and my debt scrubbed

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-chloroquine-treat-coronavirus/

just FYI the hydroxychloroquine stuff isn't quackery (UMN started investigating it a couple weeks ago), it's just unproven and trump should have kept his mouth shut

Anyway first consult of the day was a capacity evaluation for a PUI and my second consult just now was identified as a PUI, so today's going well

O_o

The Washington Post reports:

In a gaggle with reporters, President Trump said he is considering a quarantine on New York, parts of New Jersey and Connecticut. He said he might make a decision later today. It comes as the United States has become the epicenter of the novel coronavirus pandemic, with more than 100,000 confirmed infections and nearly 1,600 deaths.

but first he has to follow through with his important plan to categorize the country into "high, medium, and low" risk areas. that way he can spend 5% of his time talking about quarantines and the other 95% focusing on how perfect the low-risk areas are

US have fucked it

utterly fucked it

some were asking could any country do worse than the UK's callous, lazy Herd Immunity bullshit.

trump: hold my steer

Just to be contrarian, it seems like plain fact that the "natural" level of spread is going to be different in differently structured places, and that given that we are not going to maintain this level of lockdown for six months I don't think there's any reason to think it's optimal to have the entire country on the exact same level of lockdown.

Is the big dummy sort of having to work now?

Does he still get hours of “executive time”?

xpost Yeah, really, it's best to think of each state as its own country. There is no one size fits all solution, different states (and their cities) will have different problems, to different degrees, at different times, calling for different solutions.

And maybe eventually enforced borders between them

In many cases, fingers crossed!

Sitting down to breakfast and perusing the weekly local papers that have accumulated. This one's from Feb 19th.
https://ibb.co/qJcWNJz

I like looking at the thread bump:

this seems scary: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/19/asia/china-coronavirus-spike-intl-hnk/index.html

― JoeStork, Monday, 20 January 2020 21:03 (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink

We all gonna die and no one gives a fuck?

― nostormo, Friday, 24 January 2020 20:32 (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink

the population of the wuhan metropolitan area is like 20million and we're talking about only a few hundred cases currently, seemingly all or mainly from tainted meat consumption. i'm not worried

― bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 24 January 2020 20:34 (two months ago)

Savage.

Gothamist:

When asked about Trump's remarks, Cuomo was disdainful and dismissive, telling reporters, "I didn’t speak to him about any quarantine... I haven’t had those conversations. I don’t even know what that means.​"

Another reporter asked if a "tri-state quarantine" was "a sound policy from your perspective or would you advise against it," Cuomo repeated, "I don’t even know what that means."

"I don’t know how that could be legally enforceable and, from a medical point of view, I don’t know what you would be accomplishing, but I can tell you I don’t even like the sound of it," he said. "Not even understanding what it is, I don’t like the sound of it.​"

Cuomo wasn't meant to like the sound of it. That was more Trump talking to his rural base who hate NY and the east coast, assuring them that he'd build them another wall to keep those China-virus-infected bastards away from The Real America (tm).

great interview with fauci, addressing many of the questions and worries expressed all over this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A3jiM2FNR8

thx for that

imagine if the press conferences were just a version of that, every day, with reporters asking the questions

RI and Kansas now have stay-at-home orders. Kansas!

That was more Trump talking to his rural base who hate NY and the east coast, assuring them that he'd build them another wall to keep those China-virus-infected bastards away from The Real America (tm)

Very true--and high on the list of incomprehensible things about that love affair is the awkward fact he's a New Yorker himself.

I believe that status has been revoked

we hated him first and he knows it

This is politics. He has no legal right. https://t.co/SLSCgt7FBs

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) March 28, 2020

Article 4 of the Articles of Confederation; U.S. v. Wheeler, Crandall v. Nevada, etc.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) March 28, 2020

http://www.cnn.com/2020/03/28/weather/tornadoes-severe-storms-forecast-saturday/index.html

How do you deal with a tornado during this? Seriously.

Shelter in basement.

And I'm surprised Trump didn't threaten to quarantine California. We hate him too, and have a high rate of covid.

Nobody is saying that. (clearly)

Nobody is saying that. (clearly)

Nobody is saying that. (clearly)

Which how did that happen?

Soon enough this will be the case in the US too. National guard is already staging in cities like #Baltimore (2nd time in 5 years) & it's not just to deliver ppl food. #NotDying4WallStreet #MartialLaw https://t.co/7jrbTyuCEu

— Morgan Artyukhina (@LavenderNRed) March 29, 2020

USA
123,351-Total Cases
19,225-New Cases
2,211-Total Deaths
515-Day New Deaths https://t.co/Y0zt3Z19Cw

— illuminate (@myworldmysun) March 29, 2020

Martial law and deployment of National Guard are not the same thing xpost

like there is a huge difference between bringing in the National Guard to assist local government and actually declaring martial law and making the military the local government and temporary suspending civil rights, habeas corpus, court martialing citizens, etc.

it may be a thin line to some, but it's a form of hell many of us haven't experienced and I hope not to.

even right now, our mandatory "lockdown" here in Orange County isn't the type where cops are going to pull you over, ask you while you're out, and cite you (though I know that some places do have stringent measures like this in place).

Drove through DC a couple days ago; the streets around the Tidal Basin / cherry blossoms were blocked by... National Guard personnel, who were generally cheerful and everyone was keeping distances and being polite. I didn't get a Gilead vibe from it at all, but then I am local and have seen quite a bit of this sort of thing. Not on this scale, perhaps, but I came away from the experience with respect for my townspeople, not OMG ORWELLIAN DYSTOPIA.

I posted that reaction, but I was mostly thinking about this as a situation to watch over the next 2/3 months, i.e. if enough ppl are strapped for cash and can't get food and there is no assistance. What is happening in Sicily needs more reporting too.

My sister tells me that in the UK they are making all of their data publicly available and transparent, including predicting likelihood of riots, if I understood her correctly. (Right now the likelihood is apparently low, fwiw.)

This is heartbreaking.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/world/asia/coronavirus-india-migrants.html

xxpost there are going to need to be more relief bills, potentially. the last one was a good opportunity to stop and breathe, but it's not going to be enough and will lead to situations like you describe if they don't provide more relief as we near the end of summer.

I posted that reaction, but I was mostly thinking about this as a situation to watch over the next 2/3 months, i.e. if enough ppl are strapped for cash and can't get food and there is no assistance. What is happening in Sicily needs more reporting too.

The virus first struck in the most affluent part of Italy, I remember saying at the time to just wait till it reaches the South.

Time is an illusion right now but if you're keeping track FEMA, the federal *emergency management* agency, has only been coordinating the federal response to a *pandemic* for *eight* days despite knowing about this for over three months.

That's... quite a choice.

— Dr. Samantha Montano (@SamLMontano) March 28, 2020