Ha I've also been 'using up' the really crappy chocolate / gift set things we got at Christmas and had shoved to the back of the cupboard. Needs must!
― kinder, Monday, 30 March 2020 13:03 (four years ago) link
idk how y'all are doing it. I've been stress eating a ton and haven't found the time to go for a run. luckily I haven't seemed to gain any weight...yet. I probably have but my belt still fits the same
― frogbs, Monday, 30 March 2020 13:12 (four years ago) link
I've lost weight, but I think that's just been having healthier snacks (even if it's just posh flat chocolate) than the tub of biscuits at work. Christ knows my cycling has dropped off.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 30 March 2020 13:14 (four years ago) link
I'd already started down the path when I moved five months ago and joined a gym (dropped 30 pounds). But I've also--even though I suspect it's completely irrelevant; contraction depends solely on interaction--been taking acetaminophen-related medication two or three times a day and eating really well the past three weeks hoping that'd be a slight edge in not getting sick.
― clemenza, Monday, 30 March 2020 13:17 (four years ago) link
Our diet has been pretty consistent for the past few weeks. That is, not much has changed. What has changed is my exercise habits, but that's mostly because I run inside and, with the gym closed and the weather cold and shitty, I haven't been doing that. My wife (and sometimes my kids, for that matter), have stayed pretty active inside with online exercise classes, yoga and the like, plus the occasional walk outside (weather permitting). I (and I assume some other people) tend to lose weight under stress, so it all seems to be balancing out, for the time being. The hardest thing, in a way, is waiting until the end of the day to have a beer or two.
xpost I have no idea how well they've run the data on underlying chronic conditions. For example, it was hypothesized that one reason it took off so fast in China was because so many people there smoke, and one reason it hit men harder than women was because more men smoked there then women. Logical, but I don't know if anything concrete came of that. Same with obesity in Italy (or wherever). For example, the United States might have the fattest people, but it will take some time for the data to shake out to determine if that really makes a big difference. Being overweight, or smoking, and so on, are innately not good for you, so one might assume they are bad conditions for this, but I have no real idea.
2-week period where you feel fine but are very infectious
This is something I still don't get. If you can feel fine, but still be very infectious, and yet the easiest way to transmit, at least for community transmission, is afaict via droplet - that is, coughing and sneezing. But if you're coughing and sneezing, then you're not feeling fine, are you?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2020 13:23 (four years ago) link
I did see a medical review thingy on twit that suggested that smokers weren't dying in the US at anywhere close to the rates suggested by China.
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 30 March 2020 13:26 (four years ago) link
Even with all that, the stats still point firmly towards men getting worse outcomes, and you could argue that this is due to some/all related factors mentioned above but it is very strange as a persistent finding.
― extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Monday, 30 March 2020 13:27 (four years ago) link
I thought I saw something that said men get it *slightly* worse but not significantly. Like, of this group in the study, 106 men to 100 women or something.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2020 13:28 (four years ago) link
There may be a genetic component to it as well. Pure speculation on my part, of course.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 13:28 (four years ago) link
There usually is. He said completely unscientifically.
― Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Monday, 30 March 2020 13:29 (four years ago) link
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30117-X/fulltext
This sex predisposition might be associated with the much higher smoking rate in men than in women in China (288 million men vs 12·6 million women were smokers in 2018). Of note, one study (preprint)5 found that although ACE2 expression was not significantly different between Asian and white people, men and women, or subgroups aged older and younger than 60 years, it was significantly higher in current smokers of Asian ethnicity than Asian non-smokers; although no difference was found between smokers and non-smokers who were white. Nonetheless, the current literature does not support smoking as a predisposing factor in men or any subgroup for infection with SARS-CoV-2.
O_o
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 30 March 2020 13:30 (four years ago) link
Behavioural factors seem to make more sense.
― extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Monday, 30 March 2020 13:30 (four years ago) link
― frogbs, Monday, March 30, 2020 8:12 AM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Things could have gone a whole different way if, during my last week in the wild, I had stocked up on chips and Oreos instead of rice and beans. Believe me, I was tempted.
― Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Monday, 30 March 2020 13:33 (four years ago) link
My bf pointed out days ago that when he went out in public, women were wearing gloves and masks and men weren't. And men definitely weren't respecting a 6' distance from me yes in the grocery store.
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 30 March 2020 13:35 (four years ago) link
Well, men *are* stupider and more prone to risky behavior.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2020 13:38 (four years ago) link
Nothing more manly than being in the running for a Darwin Award, really.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 13:39 (four years ago) link
My gf was listening to a thing from (I believe) a NYC ICU doc yesterday and he said that, anecdotally, he'd seen way more male covid patients than female. My gf speculated that it was because dudes were less hygienic in general, and I couldn't really disagree with that speculation.
― Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Monday, 30 March 2020 13:40 (four years ago) link
All true.
― Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Monday, 30 March 2020 13:41 (four years ago) link
xpost there are all those studies too about marriage and divorce in heterosexual couples and how men have more problematic health/don't live as long if they are not in a relationship.
― Yerac, Monday, 30 March 2020 13:42 (four years ago) link
I'm not fat (6'2", ~175 lbs), but I have Type 2 diabetes. Genetics, I guess; my dad had Type 1. I keep seeing these statements that diabetics are at higher risk for this than other folks, but I don't know how much that applies to me and can't be bothered worrying more.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 30 March 2020 14:15 (four years ago) link
I sneeze when I am feeling fine
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 30 March 2020 14:40 (four years ago) link
men have more problematic health/don't live as long if they are not in a relationship
this suggests that ~real~ straight women are meant to go "no no dear, I will lovingly cook for you from scratch with fresh ingredients and lots of vegetables even though you complain about them and would rather eat ready meals and takeaways", whereas I've just been going, oh, fine, ready meal and no veg again, saves me effort and an argument so win-win, and have put on 10x more weight than he has of course
tl;dr I am an obese walrus and the 'vid's gonna get me
― a passing spacecadet, Monday, 30 March 2020 14:51 (four years ago) link
taking acetaminophen-related medication two or three times a day
if you feel fine why do this to your liver???
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 30 March 2020 15:09 (four years ago) link
xp aps lol yes well that plus also women typically badger men to take better care of themselves, see the doctor, etc, taking on the labor like making appts and reminding them of things, filling rx, whatever "fussy" stuff masculine men can't be bothered with because it doesn't involve firearms and bbq.
― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 30 March 2020 15:12 (four years ago) link
yeah, F is generally good at taking care of himself but I always tell him to wash his hands when he comes home first thing or before touching me (ha!) and also he has to go to yearly check ups. So now I feel very vindicated about all the hand washing.
― Yerac, Monday, 30 March 2020 15:16 (four years ago) link
Protip 4 the manz: a red-hot bbq grill is grate for cauterizing a stump if you accidentally cut off a digit or limb and you don't have time to see a doctor about it (because you're polishing your guns or have some Madden to play).
― Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Monday, 30 March 2020 15:17 (four years ago) link
Wouldn't it be great if this actually happened (the lawsuits, that is)?
http://theweek.com/speedreads/905601/fox-news-reportedly-fears-early-downplaying-covid19-leaves-open-lawsuits
― clemenza, Monday, 30 March 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link
Thx OL, will integrate that into my basement axe throwing routine.
xp
― coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 15:35 (four years ago) link
alex jones as precedent imo xp
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 30 March 2020 15:40 (four years ago) link
Hungary passes law allowing Viktor Orban to rule by decree
smdh
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 30 March 2020 15:45 (four years ago) link
Never let a good crisis go to waste.
― coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 15:47 (four years ago) link
For real, though, I'd love to kick Hungary out of the EU (not saying this because I'm Romanian, I swear).
― coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 15:50 (four years ago) link
I don't care if it's because you are Romanian tbf, my boot will be right next to yours kicking them out
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 30 March 2020 15:54 (four years ago) link
I've been wondering if there's at least some small amount of protection for people in the socially regressive EU states by lieu of them being EU members? Obviously not everyone has the financial or social resources to flee, but...
― mh, Monday, 30 March 2020 15:58 (four years ago) link
xxp agree entirely
― extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Monday, 30 March 2020 15:59 (four years ago) link
Impressed by the Czech response.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhNo_IOPOtU
― Sanpaku, Monday, 30 March 2020 16:23 (four years ago) link
yeah, the US and other countries completely messed up communicating about masks.
― Yerac, Monday, 30 March 2020 16:30 (four years ago) link
'They're totally useless, also don't hoard them because healthcare providers will die without them.'
― coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 16:33 (four years ago) link
I think the message that they were useless was meant as a deterrent to buying them when medical staff were facing shortages but it doesn’t exactly engender trust.
― ShariVari, Monday, 30 March 2020 16:35 (four years ago) link
Yeah, the initial (ongoing?) recommendation I thought was to leave the masks for the front line professionals, who need them more. Obviously if everyone wore masks that would help slow things down, but even then, only if you care, clean and replace the masks, which I doubt many people are doing. Staying home, washing hands and not touching your face remain the most effective ways to prevent getting sick, afaict.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link
the main message I got was "don't hoard them if you aren't sick, they're more important for keeping other people from catching what you have"
― silby, Monday, 30 March 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link
Not everyone needs a N95 just now. I'd feel a lot more comfortable my next grocery trip if everyone at least had a bandana (perhaps with some paper towel plies tossed in).
― Sanpaku, Monday, 30 March 2020 16:38 (four years ago) link
homemade face masks are better than nothing if you must go out.
― Yerac, Monday, 30 March 2020 16:39 (four years ago) link
this has been a really frustrating aspect of this to me, independent of preserving supply for health care workers, "experts" (and ppl itt!) recommending *not* wearing masks because "they don't really help" or "they make you touch your face more"
it has seemed like common sense from the outset that everybody keeping their mouths covered is the most immediate preventive measure
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 30 March 2020 16:41 (four years ago) link
as a deterrent to buying them when medical staff were facing shortages
here in the US, those shortages are still a big problem with no surge in supply in sight
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 30 March 2020 16:41 (four years ago) link
I pull my scarf over my mouth when I go into the grocery store or post office. Agree, it seems like basic common sense.
― clemenza, Monday, 30 March 2020 16:44 (four years ago) link
which is why it would help if all people wore even home made masks in public to help healthcare workers who don't have proper PPE.
― Yerac, Monday, 30 March 2020 16:45 (four years ago) link
I just hold my breath.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2020 16:46 (four years ago) link
I just don't make eye contact with anyone
― silby, Monday, 30 March 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link
how's your arm?
― Yerac, Monday, 30 March 2020 16:49 (four years ago) link