outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

Last night I certified far more deaths than I can ever remember doing in a single shift. The little things hit you: a book with a bookmark in, a watch still ticking, an unread text message from family. Pandemic medicine is hard.

— George Hulston (@medichulston) March 31, 2020

ouch :(

Has Hobby Lobby invoked their right as Christians to put its employees and customers at serious risk yet?

Distant xpost, but as I understand it both Spain and Italy had excellent health care systems, though they may have been reduced/cut after the 2008 financial meltdown, which may explain their current struggles. Is Sweden's really still robust enough to withstand an onslaught of serious illness?

we’re about to find out

Just a wholesome Christian business spreading illness and death in the heartland.

"Hobby Lobby quietly reopened stores in at least 2 states, defying coronavirus-related shutdowns and prompting police intervention" https://t.co/LRQeBvY14q via @businessinsider

— Joshua Holland 🔥 (@JoshuaHol) April 1, 2020

Better now than never, eh? #Mask_Shift

CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield told NPR on Tuesday that it appears infected individuals are shedding the virus "probably up to 48 hours before we show symptoms."

"This helps explain how rapidly this virus continues to spread across the country, because we have asymptomatic transmitters and we have individuals who are transmitting 48 hours before they become symptomatic," he said.

*He later added that the issue of wearing masks "is being aggressively reviewed."*

maybe they shouldn't have lied about the masks and engendered more permanent distrust of the government. they could've been honest and said "masks help but we need them for hospital workers so don't hoard them."

still giving me temperatures in the range of 32-34

Surely defective, no? The one I use always has me between close to 36 and 37 (and the couple of times it's been close to 37, stress--which is ridiculous, seeing as 37 is normal).

maybe you are just not putting it in your mouth right. it seems like you know this but taking your temperature every day is going to make you insane. also women's temperature can change due to hormonal cycle. the minute you see it go up you're going to think you have coronavirus!

You need to put it in your butt iirc.

My wife and children and I often have different experiences from what I must assume is the same pathogen, because we all live in the same tiny hive of germy goo, with the same diminuitive infection vectors.

I was reading about how the different reactions people have to flu might be dependent on whatever the very first strain of flu was they encountered as child!

yes, you have to put it in your butt, and then directly into your mouth. it's the only way to get an accurate read.

I'm using a cheap IR thermometer from a DIY shop pointed at my forehead (temperature ~32-33) and then at the back of my mouth (~34) because everywhere was sold out of boring old glass thermometers, so yeah, maybe one can't just do that. I think I will not stand like goatse and ask someone else to zap my temperature rectally just yet, but maybe it'll come to that.

anyway I'm fine, I'm worried about him (he went to bed for a nap) but he's probably fine, but he's the person who knows what to do in any crisis so I don't like the thought of the crisis getting him first...

well, all this is probably more for the personal venting thread so in the meantime, this (which itself might be better on the uk politics thread) is some bullshit:

Had a delivery of visors today from NHS England!

How many?

1.

They sent one.#COVID19

— Dr Alex Gates (@dr_alex_gates) March 31, 2020

2 ppl suing local & state govt over closure orders in northern AZ:

The lawsuit cited the mortality rate of 3.4% touted by the World Health Organization and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention as “untrue.” Recent data from the CDC shows that the mortality rate is somewhere between 1.8% and 3.4%, and the lawsuit cited sources saying the overall mortality rate is closer to 1.6%.

McGhee acknowledges that the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions have a higher death rate than the total population. However, McGhee argued that physical health is similarly as important as financial health.

“If we have a responsibility to ensure the physical health of these other people, then they have an equity demand and responsibility to us to ensure our financial health,” McGhee said.

McGhee’s argument about mortality rate leads into his argument about what can or cannot be declared a state of emergency. He felt the mortality rate did not constitute an action as severe as closing all restaurants, and that even if it did, the methods used wouldn’t work unless everyone was involved.

“Absent of quarantine of every single person and shutting everything down for 12 days,” McGhee said, “you can’t stop it. It’s not going to happen.”

Can we send them someplace else

Like bottom of ocean

the good news is that there probably aren't too many libertarians with guns in AZ. oh wait, dear god

https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/londons-dreadful-visitation-bills-of-mortality

I suppose this might take care of generation labels; I nominate that those who become adults in the post pandemic world be known as ‘quarantinos’.

get him to post here again!

I’m reading all this!

I don’t actually know that I have it, I have just been told to assume that I have.

Richard D. James weighs in:

https://www.residentadvisor.net/news/72357

wish he hadn't

dude sounds like he's grieving

Hi pophatte!

- Albert R. Broccoli

"However, McGhee argued that physical health is similarly as important as financial health."

I wonder what political affiliation McGhee has hmmmmmm
lol Karl

Hi pophatte

Haha I think I just randomly punched in this display name the last time I regularly came to ILX, probably about seven years ago. I’m just going to stick with it.

Hi.

Hi Adam!

Also good luck!

Thanks! I’m fine, really.

Just lurking ITT

hi adam!

Axios reports:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu shared with his cabinet a video he claimed was evidence of Iran concealing coronavirus deaths by dropping bodies in garbage dumps, two cabinet ministers tell me.

Several hours later, Netanyahu’s office realized the video had nothing to do with Iran, or with the coronavirus crisis. It was a clip from “Pandemic,” a 2007 Hallmark Channel mini-series.

https://wpln.org/post/racial-disparities-emerge-in-tennessees-testing-for-covid-19/

Sadly , no surprise that most of the testing facilities are in well-off white areas

xp omfg

sorry, probably already covered upthread, but:

do workers have legal standing to sue their employers for treating them inhumanely during this pandemic? thinking of this for my partner's dad, an auto engineer whose company keeps threatening to send everybody back to work, but of course it would also apply to millions of minimum wage workers who are being forced to put themselves at risk or resign. i guess, at a minimum, shouldn't the company be forced to give them proper PPE and/or enforce social distancing? if not, then they aren't providing a safe working environment, in my mind?

seems pretty clear in my book. predicting 9-0 supreme court blowout

Labor action will have better and faster impacts than lawsuits.

oh, for sure. just wondering about the lawsuits, though. you'd think all these companies would be weighing massive legal liability against getting cash flow for another couple weeks, but who knows

Welp the single day dip in deaths was indeed an anomaly as it almost doubled last night to 912 new deaths.

Given that 80+% of the cases are active, i think it's going to start exploding.

“Absent of quarantine of every single person and shutting everything down for 12 days,” McGhee said, “you can’t stop it."

12 days. Bless his heart.

I'm sure he'd be totally fine with a strict quarantine. He just wants results!

Afge, a federal government employees Union is suing the feds on behalf of federal government employees exposed to the virus

https://www.afge.org/publication/american-federation-of-government-employees-and-kalijarvi-chuzi-newman--fitch-sue-government-on-behalf-of-federal-employees-exposed-to-coronavirus/?link_id=0&can_id=4e730c41cf72734930a27d1a35b1a25c&source=email-afges-latest-coronavirus-updates-3&email_referrer=email_765963&email_subject=check-out-afges-latest-coronavirus-updates#.XoU_VKwMqB0.twitter

that's quite a url, it would be the same if truncated before the "?" like so many other urls. I've been wondering with these what all of the rest is about

sic to thread

referring info for tracking

https://thrivehive.com/what-is-a-tracking-link-or-url/

given the sheer amount of panic and anxiety that's come from this already imagine living through the black plague damn

The black death solved that problem for a lot of people.

Worldwide cases will pass one million tomorrow.

A million cases in 190 countries. Not bad for a plucky little virus that had never even met a humanoid until maybe late November of last year.

US deaths topped 5,000 today, 40% of which occurred in the last 48 hours.

I'm tired of mask discourse and it hasn't even really started yet

Spain registers 950 deaths in the last 24 hours, more than Italy ever registered in one day. Also surpasses 10,000 deaths now. They can not get the numbers down, it's grim.