xp british iirc
― Appleman Appears: 20/2/2020. Whose Cider You On? (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 2 April 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link
Cat-to-cat transmission demonstrated.
Coronavirus can infect cats — dogs, not so much
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 2 April 2020 19:23 (four years ago) link
if it had to be one of them, that is very good news that it's with cats, rather than dogs
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 April 2020 19:42 (four years ago) link
at least for those of us with indoor only cats
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 April 2020 19:43 (four years ago) link
do they also... stop being infected again afterwards, in time?
(ok the article says it's probably unlikely that they'll get it or that they'll transmit it, so hopefully it won't come to that, but, great, a new thing to worry about)
― a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 2 April 2020 19:52 (four years ago) link
Textbook example of the classic "is it worse if he's lying or telling the truth" dilemma.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/04/02/governor-brian-kemp-georgia-coronavirus-sanjay-gupta-anderson-cooper-nr-vpx.cnn
― clemenza, Thursday, 2 April 2020 19:52 (four years ago) link
wtfffffffff. It's not even like that's a trait unique to this virus.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 2 April 2020 19:56 (four years ago) link
WOW.
that is amazing. for those that haven't clicked, the gov of georgia, Brian Kemp, says he just learned within the last 24 hours that coronavirus can be spread before people show symptoms. and that's why he's doing the more strict containment measures, now.
just, holy shit.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 April 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
as the CNN medical corresponded noted, the CDC is IN ATLANTA
the Peter Dumbass Principle for guvs
Third story on NPR hourly news:
They're making a bobblehead of Fauci.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 April 2020 20:08 (four years ago) link
NY state is considering the option of putting two patients on the same ventilator. This is taking roommate culture to new territory.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 April 2020 20:09 (four years ago) link
Here is where linguistic nuance comes to the rescue. Gov. Brian Kemp was told that coronavirus can be spread before people show symptoms repeatedly in the past several weeks, but he only learned this in the past 24 hours.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 2 April 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link
lol
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 2 April 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
give a man a symptoms can be spread asymptomatically and he'll spread asymptomatically for a day. teach a man symptoms can be spread asymptomatically and he'll symptoms asymptomatically for a lifetime
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 2 April 2020 20:14 (four years ago) link
xp: TBF, everyone on mechanical ventilators is sedated to not care, and on muscle relaxants to inhibit voluntary movement. Think of it as being roommates with someone who shares a K-hole obsession. You might notice them once a week.
AFAICT, the main limitation on multiple patients/ventilator is that everyone has to share similar lung tidal volume. Children with children, big men with big men...
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 2 April 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link
Children with children, big men with big men...
Thank goodness children are the cohort least affected by the infection.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 2 April 2020 20:21 (four years ago) link
NY state is considering the option of putting two patients on the same ventilator. This is taking roommate culture to new territory.― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:09 PM (thirty-four minutes ago)
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:09 PM (thirty-four minutes ago)
glanced at something earlier that said that NYC will run out of available ventilators in <8 days.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 2 April 2020 20:45 (four years ago) link
six more days https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/02/new-york-ventilators-coronavirus-andrew-cuomo
― mizzell, Thursday, 2 April 2020 21:23 (four years ago) link
been looking for places who are making masks and selling them to subsidize production of masks to donate. So far I've only found Hedley and Bennet, who have a factory that usually makes chef aprons and have switched over to making fabric masks: https://www.hedleyandbennett.com/pages/wakeupandfightmask
― mizzell, Thursday, 2 April 2020 21:27 (four years ago) link
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:45 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
friend is a nurse in the nhs and was already briefed a week or so ago that they would be arriving at a stage where they would run out of ventilators and people who were over 65 and with comorbidities would not be given one
― COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 April 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link
A cousin of mine runs a US-based factory that makes cushions. They are making masks in order to keep their doors open: https://fallrivermask.com/
Marine Layer is allowing you to just buy a bunch of masks for essential workers: https://www.marinelayer.com/products/ml-mask-donation-2020-v1
― DJI, Thursday, 2 April 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link
this seems … new, at least from these sources
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/aerosol-coronavirus-spread-white-house-letter/index.html
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 April 2020 21:50 (four years ago) link
I've sort of assumed this would be the case, they're not telling us to keep 2 meters away from each other in case we put our hands in each other's mouths
― COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 April 2020 21:54 (four years ago) link
i ordered a balaclava mask today
― narcissistic sleighride (Neanderthal), Thursday, 2 April 2020 21:55 (four years ago) link
Honey is natures' disinfectant.
― brownie, Thursday, 2 April 2020 21:59 (four years ago) link
I should've bought stock in the temporary signs/banners industry. Every restaurant has a STILL OPEN! CURBSIDE TAKEOUT banner now.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:00 (four years ago) link
There are enough caveats and hedge words in that CNN piece to drive a person insane. Right down to the doctor who says he's going to wear a mask to the store, but "I'm not going to wear a surgical mask, because clinicians need those."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:04 (four years ago) link
What happened to not taking ibuprofen, is that still a thing? Was that ever a thing? Was that ever based on more than one small sample group study, if not just a tweet?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:06 (four years ago) link
So much for RADM Crozier.
The commander of a US aircraft carrier that has been hit by a major outbreak of coronavirus has been relieved of command days after writing a memo warning Navy leadership that decisive action was needed to save the lives of the ship's crew.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:10 (four years ago) link
Shouldn't make your president look bad, sorry your crew is dying.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:14 (four years ago) link
An aircraft carrier, a cruise ship, same difference. Big floating box of sick people. Can't have that. Loojs bad.
― no one ever is to blave (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:29 (four years ago) link
Looks
Won't anyone think about the numbers?
― DJI, Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:35 (four years ago) link
― A is for (Aimless)
Kemp complained, "How could I have known?! Why didn't anybody tell m....I mean, make me learn?!"
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 April 2020 23:23 (four years ago) link
i tell you, we will get to the bottom of who refused to make me learn
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 April 2020 23:24 (four years ago) link
Weren't there viral (oh that poor word) photos from January of people dying on the streets of Wuhan? I remember some shot of a man on the floor of a subway car and the other riders all backed up away from him.
At the time, it seemed so much more instantaneous than two weeks, but maybe I've been fooled by the internet again.
― pplains, Friday, 3 April 2020 00:05 (four years ago) link
This is stunning. It appears deaths are being dramatically undercounted in Spain and Italy. pic.twitter.com/O6R4gOhu4M— Ben Judah (@b_judah) April 2, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 April 2020 13:46 (four years ago) link
Maybe, maybe not...but if debate in the comments. The methodology will be debated for a long time
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 April 2020 13:51 (four years ago) link
I'm starting to settle into a resigned pessimism about this. The US is dysfunctional and incapable of doing the things that experts say would make the most difference -- universal lockdown, widespread testing, etc. A vaccine will take a long time, and in the meantime any treatment improvements will be piecemeal/patchwork. Jared Fucking Kushner is "coordinating" our federal effort, i.e. there is no coordination. New York is doing at least a serviceable job, but it started far too late and meanwhile there are still 10 or so states that aren't doing shit. I think this is going to be longer and more deadly than we are being told right now. And the potential economic contagion just boggles my mind.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 3 April 2020 13:59 (four years ago) link
I agree with all that, about the USA. And it's not the deadliness of this disease that's most on my mind; it's its consequences for the American economy, by which I don't mean GDP or really anything particularly quantitative, but rather, how the way Americans have to live, the way Americans lives are structured (housing, health care, education): that's "the economy", and the depth of the disruption to that has hardly begun to sink in.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Friday, 3 April 2020 14:08 (four years ago) link
The problem in the US is not just that there never was a plan but that there still is no plan, as such, and no indication the government is competent enough to come up with a plan. But I really doubt most if any countries have a real plan, either, and that's sort of what's both frightening and disheartening about the whole ordeal. Whenever this is done it will be far from done, and when it gets to the economic recovery stage, whenever that happens, we're going to see some real bullshit on a monumental scale, and I have no idea what the world will look like when the bullshit dries.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 April 2020 14:14 (four years ago) link
The USA has almost no national solidarity (the emptiness of troop worship is as close as it gets), and that deprives the nation of even conceiving of "a plan", by which, how to move past this crisis. The American plan will be "how things were before", and for the millions whose jobs will never be the same (if they have jobs at all), what was before will never be again. And what for them? We know the answer.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Friday, 3 April 2020 14:30 (four years ago) link
Hey America, fuck you x2:
https://globalnews.ca/news/6772979/coronavirus-3m-n95-respirators-trump-canada/
― Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Friday, 3 April 2020 14:37 (four years ago) link
Sweden now has 6x the deaths that Norway does (308 vs 50). Both had their first case the same day. Norway locked down early + Sweden still hasn't. Sweden tracking Italy at the moment. https://t.co/7QMYtrua0P— Sam Freedman (@Samfr) April 3, 2020
― Matt DC, Friday, 3 April 2020 14:43 (four years ago) link
I dunno, I'm just a lowly layman, but I've read enough history to know how disruptive/catastrophic outbreaks and pandemics have been in the past, kinda feels like this should just be part and parcel of national disaster preparedness. Incompetence is definitely playing a role in the limpid response, but there's definitely an element of anencephalic hubris, as well. Like, something like this could never happen to us. Even though it totally has.
― Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 3 April 2020 14:48 (four years ago) link
It's a prelude to the time when climate change starts to well and truly kick our ass, I guess. Just keep kicking that can down the road and react with shock and amazement when you find that you've run out of road.
― Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 3 April 2020 14:50 (four years ago) link
it's not the deadliness of this disease that's most on my mind; it's its consequences for the American economy, by which I don't mean GDP or really anything particularly quantitative, but rather, how the way Americans have to live, the way Americans lives are structured (housing, health care, education): that's "the economy", and the depth of the disruption to that has hardly begun to sink in.
This may be a better topic for the "how we live now" thread but we are definitely reinforcing that there are about three broad groups of workers: - Service-sector workers and essential-industry workers who have been "lucky" enough to keep working, but at the risk of their lives (and significant psychic wear and tear).- Workers whose jobs have simply vanished. The financial consequences of losing months/years of income will continue to dog them; some will never recover even when demand returns.- White-collar knowledge workers who can work from home, and whose salaries continue to arrive. Their problems are real but may seem trivial to the other groups.
― no one ever is to blave (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 April 2020 14:50 (four years ago) link
started wearing a mask during my daily walk to central park.
can hardly breathe in this and my glasses fog up.
― treeship., Friday, 3 April 2020 14:52 (four years ago) link
This will require a level of financial intervention and economic reconstruction the likes of which none of us have seen before. I'm not sure our current financial system is well-equipped to do that at all.
― Matt DC, Friday, 3 April 2020 14:52 (four years ago) link
i disagree w/ the "risk of their lives" argument. they're taking precautions and most essential workers are not at-risk groups. most wfh are staying home to protect vulnerable people, not to protect their own lives.
― Mordy, Friday, 3 April 2020 14:53 (four years ago) link