Things you were shockingly old when you learned

Who's this Zimmerman character then?

Owns a deli, iirc.

Allan Clarke (of the Holies) released “Born to Run” before Bruce did. And it’s fucking great!

Mentioned on the Rogers thread, but Johnny Cash released "The Gambler" before Kenny Rogers did (and two others released it before either of them).

xpost Holy shit.

Actually, just looked into it, and Clarke recorded it before Bruce's was released, but his version came out after Bruce's.

https://estreetshuffle.com/index.php/2018/04/30/cover-me-allan-clarke-born-to-run/

(silby: those are the members of a 1980s rock "supergroup" made up of Robert Zimmerman, Jeff Lynne from Electric Light Orchestra, Tom Petty, Roy Orbison, and George Harrison, formerly of the Beatles)

― donald failson (sic), 2020年4月3日 星期五 上午 5:28 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i love you sic

I just looked up that Allan Clarke "Born to Run" so I could listen to it, and on the label the song is credited to "Springstein."

Re: “this wheel’s on fire” etc, I read (in mystery train? Wikipedia?) that after the basement tapes sessions, Dylan/the band did just send all the songs away to be recorded by others... or however that works... like the Lennon/McCartney songs recorded by others but not the Beatles

Think we need a separate thread for this topic, before deems or somebody shows up to moan about ILM encroachment.

that "spring break" is just what Americans call the Easter holidays, just now.

except often enough they don't fall on Easter

not structuring your school terms around a holiday which moves around a 5-week period from year to year is an advantage of keeping religion out of schools which I hadn't previously considered.

yeah what is "michaelmas" exactly

some oxbridge prod thing

a type of daisy, or, the best time to go on the dodgems and win a goldfish in a bag

as a kid in IL, spring break was "easter break" and started Good Friday

Re: Dylan covers

The Albums That Never Were blog has a recreation and write up on the Basement Tapes-era promo acetate that was responsible for all those early covers.

http://albumsthatneverwere.blogspot.com/2015/03/bob-dylan-songs-for-dwarf-music.html?m=1

cool! file links are busted, but so it is with the passage of time.

michaelmas is one of the two days a year that farmers pay rent, is a thing i know that may no longer be true

Here spring break is called spring break, and to further avoid the appearance of religion, while the kids don't have school on Good Friday it's not for Good Friday but for an Institute Day, one of several days off they give each year when the teachers have mandatory instruction.

that "spring break" is just what Americans call the Easter holidays, just now.

Wait, I don't think this is true? Isn't US Spring Break always in March?

Yes, don't need to move it around if it isn't called "Easter holiday"

Although guessing "Easter holiday" means "Easter religious observance day" in the states, rather than "the two-week break you get in the spring" as it does in the UK.

Does that mean that the Reading Week in February is what Canadians call the Easter holidays then?

In my USian experience, Spring Break is one week long, not two. It has never been called Easter break or Easter Holiday.

However, Easter is usually at one end or the other, because my schools have tended to have a lot of either cultural or religious Christians. We're not Christian but my kids do dye eggs, hunt for candy, and bite the ears off chocolate bunnies. Whether they were in school the week before or the week after that particular Sunday is irrelevant.

A neighboring jurisdiction is heavily Jewish and their calendars lean toward being out on Passover if they can. It's very convenient when Pesach and Easter line up, but it's broadly accepted that it will not always be the case.

Beaches in my region are way too cold for Spring Break - we've generally done like an arts camp, gone to an indoor waterpark, or visited a historical site to walk on cobbly bits and wear tricorn hats.
It is nothing to do with porn or disease.

Easter fell on Apr 21 last year. Surely that was not on either end of Spring Break?

I have explained very clearly what I mean.

Was responding to YMP fwiw

Sund4r, our Spring Break last year was, in fact, April 15-19.

This year's was scheduled for April 6-10.

So yes, our jurisdiction does, in fact, try very hard to track to where the religious holidays are.

Oh, interesting. The college where I taught in the US always had theirs in the first half of March (2-6 this year).

Ah. Colleges are a different kettle of fish. I am speaking of elementary/secondary peeps (ages 5-18). Generally they do not do porn.

Ha, I didn't know US elementary/high schools had an Easter-adjacent Spring Break. We get an Easter holiday consisting of Good Friday + Easter Monday as well as a March Break for schools or a Reading Week in February in uni.

We do porn for every holiday, though, as long as 30% of the content is Canadian.

my public us elementary/high school had no 'spring break' at all, just good friday off. the school year was done by the end of may, tho. lunch on fridays alternated between fish and cheese pizza; the area was like 90% catholic

university had a week off in march following midterm exams, not sure there was anything official surrounding easter

wait y'all get TWO weeks off for spring/easter?

Cambridge uni students get three and a half weeks off at easter.

I think that's true of all universities, innit. Private schools tend to have 3 weeks or a month, too.

o_O

don't think my uni had that long, but it was a rubbish uni, and twenty years ago.

Cambridge students have a whole 6 weeks off for xmas which is crazier, they're all having their xmas parties in November.

What the fuck

Hate speech in the US is protected by the first amendment? Harassment laws have to be narrowly tailored to avoid placing limits on what you can say (is this true? I won't lie, it would explain a lot)

Yeah it's perfectly legal to promulgate hateful beliefs, but if you do so in a way that constitutes a crime free speech defenses aren't going to avail you much from what I understand. Cf. the ACLU defending the Nazis in Skokie.

Like, you probably can't hold forth at work about (bigoted nonsense of your choice here), but it's not because it's illegal to say hateful things, it's because it's Title VII workplace discrimination.

If you post calmly as you normally do in the public square the government generally can't tell you to stop just because of the content of what you say. Despite everything I still probably think this is good not bad. After all, everyone else can tell you to stop.

tbh the idea of hate speech laws -- as in being subject to fines and imprisonment for expressing a view -- is pretty shocking if you've grown up in the US! first amendment law is pretty deeply established here and attempts to criminalize speech haven't been successful.

when I used to bother with reddit there were constant debates about the meaning of free speech. there were a lot of americans shocked that count dankula went to jail in the uk "for making a joke video where he trains his girlfriend's dog to be a nazi" (having seen the video I can report that it mostly consists of him saying "gas the jews" and giggling like a prick)

tbh I find that aspect of uk law pretty vile.

I would never get tired of punching "count dankula" in the face

the guy who made the joke bomb threat against the airport I have some sympathy for, but would be happy to throw that third rate scottish muttley "dankula" in a dungeon for any reason.

The US OTM on this one.