How will you vote in the Labour Leadership election?

Anybody fancy a doorstep clap for the Labour membership tonight?

More depressed by the Nandy % than the Starmer one.

oh god the comments on that post are just apocalyptic

Don’t read them, the worst winners in history. No ideas, no humility, no integrity.

Labour deputy leadership result, first round:

Angela Rayner: 41.7%
Richard Burgon: 17.3%
Rosena Allin-Khan: 16.8%
Ian Murray: 13.3%
Dawn Butler: 10.9%

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) April 4, 2020

still at least in these straitened times i’ll be able to save a few quid a month by cancelling my labour membership

Those deputy figures are a fucking disgrace

Dawn Butler below that cunt Murray. Fuck.

Labour deputy leadership result, second round:

Angela Rayner: 46.5% (+4.8)
Rosena Allin-Khan: 19.5% (+2.7)
Richard Burgon: 19.2% (+1.9)
Ian Murray: 14.3% (+1.0)

Butler eliminated (-10.9)

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) April 4, 2020

Labour deputy leadership result, third round round:

Angela Rayner: 52.6% (+6.1) ELECTED
Rosena Allin-Khan: 26.1% (+6.6)
Richard Burgon: 21.3% (+2.1)

Murray eliminated (-14.3)

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) April 4, 2020

xp didn’t you know the party hates black women already?

Yes, but not that much. Ian Murray?! Jesus fuck.

oh well at least I won't be on suicide watch next time Labour get trounced in a GE

You’ll probably actively enjoy it!

too tired to dunk on British columnists and leader writers who, even in the midst of a pandemic and seeing a country where Tory policies will kill hundreds of thousands, still think the actual problem are young leftists who saw their struggles represented in Corbyns labour

— hk (@HKesvani) April 4, 2020

I won't be as classless as Jess Phillips was on election night, because Tories doing well isn't anything to celebrate. I will just be rather apathetic and probably won't even stay up and definitely won't be arsed about voting.

Unsurprising really, the RLB campaign was very quiet in the end, it never really seemed to take off at all and Starmer didn't have to do anything except sit there. I'd be surprised if most of the country even notices right now.

TBH the paltry share of the vote that Nandy recieved is heartening. The response that Butler got is gutting and says a lot.

In reality it's what Starmer does from here on in that matters. He'll have to do a fuck of a lot better than he's done so far.

Probably the worst part is going to be the crowing from the people who have been banging on about the need to unite the party for years. You don't unite anything by gleefully shitting on the last guy.

Not paltry enough ime. I’m not going to forget her refusing to condemn Trevor Phillips in a hurry, and she was an appalling candidate.

I'd be surprised if most of the country even notices right now.

You don't say.

I'd be surprised if most of the country even notices right now.

Thats kind of the point? All Premier Leagues need a Bournemouth

Fucking stupidly interminable election process had already strangled any interest before outside events intruded.

suggest the next UK pol thread is called "Let's Get Forensic"

well... bummer

gutted by the Butler results, though Rayner is all right imo (I expect to hear why she isn't soon)

as ilx's resident melt I wanted to believe Starmer was Not That Bad for a lot longer than anyone else here, but he's been completely invisible during this whole crisis and tbh I'm dreading whenever he does finally pop up in case it's to say something motivating like "don't let's be beastly to the landlords"

His job is to be invisible, and (hopefully) inaudible.

tbh the actual post of deputy is immaterial but the massive dis to the candidate who was probably best qualified for the job is kinda jaw-dropping in its blatancy

Affiliates
Long-Bailey 16,970 (22.31%)
Nandy 18,681 (24.56%)
Starmer 40,417 (53.13%)

Member
Long-Bailey 117,598 (29.29%)
Nandy 58,788 (14.64%)
Starmer 225,135 (56.07%)

Registered
Long-Bailey 650 (5.00%)
Nandy 2,128 (16.36%)
Starmer 10,228 (78.64%)

Trade Union members are Affiliates? Is that right?

this cuts to the heart of it

Cancel your direct debit now folks, for fuck's sake. It's their shambling corpse, let them have it.

— Jimatron (@JP_Maybe) April 4, 2020

Oh no, here's Jess Phillips.

does she have some thoughts on which part of the body she's prepared to stab Starmer in?

Not before he gives help to the goverment, 'like a grown up'.

https://i.postimg.cc/65qHZjgb/0-B158297-0-F05-4-F4-C-8468-74690260-B52-F.jpg 😌 I’m sure the big donors will come back now anyway

ffs

👀 pic.twitter.com/dRL9nPq0mS

— herd immunity for our time (@misslucyp) April 4, 2020

Under Starmer, I think the left need to: 1. Stay in the Party, exercise power constructively & creatively where we can. 2. #keepitfrosty - there’s very little to be gained by wrecking & obsessing over the leadership. If it goes badly, they can own it, if it goes well, great.

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) April 4, 2020

Let's see how this one ages.

xp I refer to my previous comment.

fuck that shit, they won't get a penneth more out of me. The party is dead.

Maybe it’s because Starmer/Rayner not exactly a surprise result but almost more curious for the shadow cabinet picks. It’s been so long since Labour actually used all its talents; now they could really count.

— gabyhinsliff (@gabyhinsliff) April 4, 2020

Enough of this but still, will miss Corbs.

😢 pic.twitter.com/T859crhqD4

— Jase (@jasebyjason) April 4, 2020

Gann is probably correct. I’d be tempted to leave if Starmer picks a hard-right shadow cabinet though.

The Times, Telegraph, senior Tories. etc, falling over themselves to praise Starmer stand to benefit the most from a massive split in the party. It’s trolling. Let’s see who gets the senior positions.

Corbynism inspired 100s of thousands to join Labour, make it the biggest social democratic party in Europe, and give Ian Fucking Murray more of their votes than Dawn Butler. pic.twitter.com/gvypd3lqMz

— Greggs Truther (@invisibleste) April 4, 2020

some people call the membership a bunch of apolitical melty idiots but tbf they are probably quite racist as well.

strangely opaque race hate Twitter account The Core has been crowing about Butler coming last, so good work Labour members

Ok ok ok enough from me, I’m too sad about this and I thought I had been ready for it.

The grief I feel is indescribable pic.twitter.com/xhn5i8xGdq

— Fraser 🌹 (@comradefraz) April 4, 2020

tbf to Mr Starmer he has already inspired me to get some outside clothes on and go and buy as much cake and wine as i can carry. now *that's* forensic opposition.

https://t.co/p4whrRlmaX pic.twitter.com/HlMVviFfhk

— ryan 🚩 (@ryxnf) April 4, 2020

Rousing stuff!

What a dismal country this is

not so much a failed state as a fucking state

look forward to centrist cunts wanking themselves to death over “forensic inquiries in select committee meetings” while the world burns.

Being good at the boring shit matters - attention to policy detail, fine print, the difficult technical stuff, it's all important. It's a different political skill to the stuff that Team Corbyn were good at - firing up, energising and growing the base, striking the right emotional tone, developing a real vision, understanding what the party is for etc. I wouldn't assume for one moment that that skill set is exclusively or even predominantly located on the right of the party.

In any case, the Hinsliff tweet is nonsense because "all the talents" refused to work with the leadership anyway, or they did for a bit an engendered such a sense of mistrust that the leadership wasn't interested in working with them. They weren't cruelly and wastefully cast to the margins and even people like Yvette Cooper showed an ability to work with the Shadow Cabinet in a constructive capacity even when they weren't in it.

The boring stuff going to be especially important because the actual Cabinet is stuffed to the rafters with people who are shit at that stuff. And the result of them being shit at that stuff is going to be the deaths of tens of thousands of people. The Labour front bench has to have the ability to do that sort of work and not let the government off the hook. But they have to actually HAVE that sort of competence rather than just give the illusion of it because they look the part.

But it's going to be about the policies in the end really. If they can find a way of repackaging 2017-ish social democratic policies and professional sensible boring lawyer shit (as someone else said a couple of months ago) then that's probably the best case scenario*. Especially as the government begins to look more and more like a troop of incompetent clowns who can't keep on top of the virus OR manage the economic reconstruction.

*Whether they're interested in doing so is a different thing. I still don't know what kind of programme Starmer would follow and I doubt a lot of people who voted for him do either.

he kind of has to say that in the time of plague tbf (although of course he doesn't have to make it QUITE so lapdog)

i'm with SV here - let's see what his cabinet looks like. not pulling my membership just yet, and it's not like there's an alternative (as it stands) - any new grassroots party would probably have a Sisyphean task trying to gain a foothold unless like 100 MPs jump ship (unless you're all quitting to join the baader-meinhof idk). i really do not think Labour is lost to the neoliberals for good - maybe these are simply teething troubles in the leftward shift. RLB was no convincing figurehead - not her fault, but nobody else from the left ran!

the Butler result is awful I agree and if I'd thought about how the voting system works a bit harder I'd have reversed the ordering of my two-person deputy ballot. a sizeable minority of fuckwits were always going to vote Murray but why the hell were people voting for those flops Burgon and Allin-Khan *above* the highly competent and righteous Butler? it makes absolutely no sense - even within the party's left there are clearly some bizarre hang-ups that tend towards misogyny and racism

long game folks, long game. Corbyn was the pioneer and others absolutely will follow. the Whittomes and Sultanas. they didn't get elected just to give up (unless, as above, they all give up at once, but that'll have to be orders of magnitude more decisive than Change UK)

oh good post Matt DC

https://twitter.com/JP_Maybe/status/1246381790224429056

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaoLy7PHwk

i was just catching up on some reading on Keir Starmer this morning, including Patrick Maguire's very sympathetic/soft profile of him in the New Statesman.

literally just made some notes on the key things to watch, and coming here was immensely disheartened to see that tweet calz posted.

* How handles the press - messaging around immigration, labour rights, housing, the welfare state and benefits need powerful and clearly stated messages without triangulating, rather than trying to soft-pedal in case of right wing press attacs.
* His instinct for working with rather than against the establishment (Maguire cites his time working to establish consensus for the PSNI as part of the Good Friday Agreement to be critical to his development here). A cross-party government of national unity could be an early example of Starmer forging closer links with the government than with the people and places who most need the Labour Party's attention and support.

some specific things that we will want to see out of covid will be important in terms of winning the narrative around a strengthened safety net and welfare... not just *state*, but infrastructure and embedded process eg. a universal credit designed to deliver cash to the pockets of those who need it - ensuring that lack of face-to-face interviews stay unpicked, and that the 5 week wait is removed.