How will you vote in the Labour Leadership election?

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Labour will probably fail to examine this, but ... Starmer lost to 'Did Not Vote'.

Votes (% of eligible voters)

2015
Corbyn: 251,417
DidNotVote: 131,350
+/-: +120,067

2016
Corbyn: 313,209
DidNotVote: 146,188
+/-: +167,021

2020
DidNotVote: 293,420
Starmer: 275,780
+/-: -17,640 https://t.co/lcwyqo1l32

— Matt Thomas (@Trickyjabs) April 4, 2020

this Did Not Vote person could do a better job than Starmer.

calzino, Saturday, 4 April 2020 13:12 (four years ago) link

xps to Matt ok I agree with that. Just not confident in starmzy doing any of that stuff properly atm

Microbes oft teem (wins), Saturday, 4 April 2020 13:17 (four years ago) link

sorry one more. so brave, honest and positive. if only the PLP had another 300 of her

There are mixed feelings among members about today's results, but one thing is for sure:

If you want to promote the interests of the working class, if you want eliminate poverty & inequality, & if you want to fight racism & war:

The Labour Party is still where you should be.

— Zarah Sultana MP (@zarahsultana) April 4, 2020

Kier today, Dom tomorrow (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 4 April 2020 13:28 (four years ago) link

One more.

Congratulations Keir!

— RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE (@RATM) April 4, 2020

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 4 April 2020 13:31 (four years ago) link

eurgh

bam! Free bees! (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 4 April 2020 13:32 (four years ago) link

'yes, Boris, I will do as you tell me!'

ban laggy jazzer (imago), Saturday, 4 April 2020 13:34 (four years ago) link

I feel bad for cancelling the dd when I see people like Zarah. But I feel a real visceral hatred for the party rn and can't support them anymore. And if Reeves is the new shadow chancellor then eliminating poverty and inequality is not going to be on the agenda and they are just merely the least racist party.

calzino, Saturday, 4 April 2020 13:37 (four years ago) link

Pet Shop Boys back to form with new album Hotspot. Check it out. Neil Tennant's voice as clear and haunting as ever.

— Andrew Neil (@afneil) April 4, 2020

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 4 April 2020 14:30 (four years ago) link

The 'centre' has been emboldened today

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 4 April 2020 14:31 (four years ago) link

NEW: I'm told Keir Starmer is likely to appoint:

Anneliese Dodds as shadow chancellor
Nick Thomas-Symonds as shadow home secretary
Jo Stevens as foreign secretary

Not finalised. But that trio was "100%" discussed in Team Starmer this week. https://t.co/ZHUdWCNgaI

— Gabriel Pogrund (@Gabriel_Pogrund) April 4, 2020

Dodds as Shadow Chancellor would be totally in line with soft-left (and not awful)

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 4 April 2020 14:37 (four years ago) link

I'd been wondering about Dodds, she's had a Treasury shadow brief for some time. She ticks the 'unfamiliar to the public' box and isn't the big fuck you sign that Reeves would represent. All three names are unknown quantities really and that's a lot better than reaching straight for Reeves, Cooper, Benn etc.

Matt DC, Saturday, 4 April 2020 14:39 (four years ago) link

lol at three of the top four jobs potentially going to lawyers but this wouldn’t be an awful sign overall.

ShariVari, Saturday, 4 April 2020 14:43 (four years ago) link

Do any of them have a personality? That might turn out to be important.

Matt DC, Saturday, 4 April 2020 14:45 (four years ago) link

idk about Dodds but the other two come across as relatively normal and vaguely likeable, if not exactly sparkling.

ShariVari, Saturday, 4 April 2020 14:51 (four years ago) link

I remember a pretty solid video from Dodds on QT, some potential there.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 4 April 2020 14:54 (four years ago) link

Nick Thomas-Symonds as shadow home secretary
Jo Stevens as foreign secretary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBC-1UzkIW0

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 April 2020 14:56 (four years ago) link

I am impressed that Dodds isn't the toxic and beyond salvageable piece of garbage that is Reeves, but that is a very low bar which was either part of the cunning plan or the Reeves talk was just pressure/wishful thinking from the right.

calzino, Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:02 (four years ago) link

it's depressing to see so many ppl leave the party, some of whom are going to be leaving electoral politics for good, but it's also depressing to see so much meaningless talk and speculation by ppl who will never do more than stand on the sidelines. looking at what i could buy with saved membership subs is quite tempting tho

ogmor, Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:05 (four years ago) link

News just in. Jo Stevens is a TERF.

Thanks to @takumasgirl for asking the important questions pic.twitter.com/GIRCJrI8l0

— Ben (@artofstumbling) March 9, 2020

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:05 (four years ago) link

it's depressing to see so many ppl leave the party, some of whom are going to be leaving electoral politics for good, but it's also depressing to see so much meaningless talk and speculation by ppl who will never do more than stand on the sidelines.

Yeah, that's a good way to persuade people to vote Labour.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:07 (four years ago) link

tom if I can stop you voting labour by piercing your paper thin skin it would be my honour

ogmor, Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:10 (four years ago) link

No idea what you're talking about but, OK, if you don't want people to vote Labour then that's nice to know.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:11 (four years ago) link

Good fucking luck with your committee meetings on extra bin rounds.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:12 (four years ago) link

Labour meetings have been pretty exciting so far no need to knock it now.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:14 (four years ago) link

you might not fully understand but you don't have no idea what i'm talking about - you are offended because you feel guilt over being politically inert

ogmor, Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:17 (four years ago) link

Believe me I feel no guilt whatsoever about never being a member of the Labour Party. What a ridiculous statement to make about someone you don't even know.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:19 (four years ago) link

I don't know you either, to be fair, so maybe you're not a sanctimonious cunt irl.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:20 (four years ago) link

Yeah I have no idea why you thought that was about you, Tom. Regardless, it’s quite a thing to be all folded-arms, “try winning my vote” when people have died and are dying because there isn’t a Labour government, and the previous leadership who were trying to get one to better the country was painted as actively dangerous and traitorous the whole time.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:20 (four years ago) link

Er, I didn't think it was about me.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:22 (four years ago) link

congrats on your emotions tom, please call me a cunt one more time and then never try to read or respond to my posts again

ogmor, Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:22 (four years ago) link

Try reading your post at 16.07 then, cos that’s very much how it comes across.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:23 (four years ago) link

Think Labour are going to be ok without your vote in the people’s republic of Islington.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:24 (four years ago) link

Ha, too right! (xp) Well, that's the internet for you!

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:25 (four years ago) link

congrats on your emotions tom, please call me a cunt one more time and then never try to read or respond to my posts again

Go and pin a poster up, why don't you, feel a bit better about yourself

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:26 (four years ago) link

Fucks sake, I know we’re all bored but log off, this is a fucking mess.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:27 (four years ago) link

lol this reminds me when i get drunk on gin and start shouting at my (you’re not my) friends.

Fizzles, Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:30 (four years ago) link

usually over politics too now i come to think of it.

Fizzles, Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:30 (four years ago) link

the last time was about palestine with a couple of really nice friends around a vegas pool. shouting about corbyn at them (“f’ing typical centrists”). nagl in retrospect tho we were all f’ing drunk.

Fizzles, Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link

sorry for offending tom, I'm not saying you have to do anything, just that the pointlessness of speculative waffling is v striking and the gap between that an participation seems particularly egregious at times like this where there are v few meaningful things to be done

ogmor, Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link

OK, and I'm sorry for attacking you, I'm sure you're doing a lot of good things in your community and I hope you carry on doing it - sincerely. Different strokes etc.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 April 2020 15:36 (four years ago) link

It's Starmer who should be apologising tbf!

calzino, Saturday, 4 April 2020 16:16 (four years ago) link

it's depressing to see so many ppl leave the party, some of whom are going to be leaving electoral politics for good

One of the things that's been interesting since I joined was talking to people who left and stayed out of Labour for about 10-15 years before coming back in 2015/6 so hopefully that will be true for some people as well. One of the many striking things is Corbyn as the permanent stayer who just keeps going, and, while I have seen a lot of disappointment and heartbreak on the timeline that aspect can rub off on people too in the coming days and weeks.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 4 April 2020 16:22 (four years ago) link

The left will be needed to keep Starmer accountable because he will be under a lot of pressure to be pulled to the right.

Matt DC, Saturday, 4 April 2020 16:23 (four years ago) link

Lucy Powell says no, members should have invincible conviction in the leader and anything less would make them wreckers ..erm like she was.

calzino, Saturday, 4 April 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link

I still want to know who are the dodgy billionaire donors Starmer was too embarrassed to disclose during the LE. Knowing whose pocket the slippery cunt is in is still very pertinent info that should be out there.. global pandemic doesn't change that.

calzino, Saturday, 4 April 2020 17:04 (four years ago) link

the latest Private Eye says that the Starmer campaign received a £25,000 donation from this guy: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-6973517/AA-finance-boss-nicknamed-sledgehammer-quits-support-anti-Brexit-party-Change-UK.html

The AA's finance boss has quit after five years so he can devote his time to anti-Brexit party Change UK.

Martin Clarke has stepped down immediately and does not have another job.

He previously worked for private equity companies, where his robust approach earned him the nickname 'the sledgehammer'.

He was accused of bullying – which he denies – by former chief executive Bob Mackenzie, who was sacked following a punch-up in 2017.

In a statement, the finance director said: 'For me, now is the right time to return to my twin passions of private investing and politics.'

Clarke, 62, was a long-time Labour supporter and previously donated money to Yvette Cooper, and has been a vocal critic of Jeremy Corbyn.

But he is also a close friend of Chuka Umunna, who founded Change UK alongside six other anti-Brexit MPs, and is known to have switched allegiance.

soref, Saturday, 4 April 2020 17:16 (four years ago) link

I just read this tweet and now you all have to read it too

I just rejoined the Labour Party. So sad about the wasted opportunities and the moral disgrace of the last five years. But so happy to have a new leader who can put things right. Congratulations @Keir_Starmer 🌹

— Tony Robinson (@Tony_Robinson) April 4, 2020

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 4 April 2020 17:18 (four years ago) link

maybe I'm forgetting but I don't think there are any mechanisms for members to be involved with for the next couple of years beyond conference delegates and local elections

ogmor, Saturday, 4 April 2020 17:18 (four years ago) link

omg it can only be a matter of time until Chuka is welcomed back into the "labour family"!

calzino, Saturday, 4 April 2020 17:19 (four years ago) link

Robinson and Barber have both reapplied, they haven’t rejoined. They still need to get through Compliance.

ShariVari, Saturday, 4 April 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link


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