outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

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seems like a good use of testing resources

bam! Free bees! (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 5 April 2020 21:04 (four years ago) link

Didn't you hear? Tigers are on trend.

cuomo money, cuomo problems (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 5 April 2020 21:09 (four years ago) link

The city of San Francisco is not moving any unhoused people from the streets into shelters. Instead, they are CONSOLIDATING people currently living in shelters into larger shelters, forcing crowded conditions. In a pandemic like this, this is murderous https://t.co/PF7esaF4PD

— Butt Praxis (@buttpraxis) April 5, 2020

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 5 April 2020 21:22 (four years ago) link

Hard to say when the media ignores prisons and prisoners so completely.

The final act of This American Life last week was about prisoners being released in order to be able to distance themselves.

donald failson (sic), Sunday, 5 April 2020 21:43 (four years ago) link

PM Johnson admitted to hospital.

Given one would have to be a hero, out of one's mind, or unable to breathe to enter a hospital right now, that suggests he's on the O2.

Sanpaku, Sunday, 5 April 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link

the sacrificial lamb we've been demanding

no feeble christ (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 April 2020 21:47 (four years ago) link

(I’ve read stories for a few weeks about jails in the US and elsewhere doing early and pre-trial release, and also about infected prisoners and wardens - just poking into tt on zing so I can’t ctrl-h references)

donald failson (sic), Sunday, 5 April 2020 21:47 (four years ago) link

Given one would have to be a hero, out of one's mind, or unable to breathe to enter a hospital right now, that suggests he's on the O2.

He's certainly not the first of those. And I doubt he's the other two tbh. Further tests, they're saying. Meanwhile the Russians are saying he's on a ventilator.

Did somebody just say eat? (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 April 2020 21:49 (four years ago) link

He probably does not face the same hurdles for medical attention as the rest of us.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 5 April 2020 21:50 (four years ago) link

You reckon?

Did somebody just say eat? (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 April 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link

I've been keeping track of my own timeline through this--last day in a school, last movie in a theatre, last coffee in a public place--and I'm pretty sure all of that ended with me no later than March 16. I've been extremely careful since then: walks, grocery store, post office, scarf/gloves/never-close-to anybody. If the incubation period remains at two weeks maximum in almost all cases, than I feel like I can say, with a 90-95% confidence level, that if I were to contract it now, that'd be alarming with regards to the limits of what you can do to stay safe--basically, that never leaving the house is the only option.

clemenza, Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:00 (four years ago) link

Wrong thread, probably.

clemenza, Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:00 (four years ago) link

Didn't Johnson say just a couple of days ago that he was more or less better, but spiked a fever again (or continued to) and was just isolating out of a sense of caution? I wonder what changed?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:04 (four years ago) link

He was lying.

ShariVari, Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:04 (four years ago) link

The Guardian was told last week that Johnson was more seriously ill than either he or his officials were prepared to admit, and that he was being seen by doctors who were concerned about his breathing.

ShariVari, Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:06 (four years ago) link

yeah he's a liar iirc

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:07 (four years ago) link

he'll Baghdad Bob it til he dies

no feeble christ (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:07 (four years ago) link

"he did die, but it wasn't of COVID-19. it was of stress from the hysteria of COVID-19!"

no feeble christ (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:07 (four years ago) link

The hashtag #FireFauci is trending on Twitter; one of the people promoting it is Celia Farber, who wrote Spin magazine's AIDS column in the 80s and 90s and was a noted proponent of the theory that HIV does not cause AIDS. Really great the way some folks just keep bubbling up.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link

i thought it wasn't uncommon for people w/covid to fall extremely ill after a few days of feeling better

crüt, Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link

I'll give Boris the benefit of the doubt when he's getting last rites and coughing the remnants of his lungs into a scarlet blood spattered handkerchief. But until then he's a ventilator thief!

calzino, Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link

yeah he's a liar iirc

Not half.

Did somebody just say eat? (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link

I hate Potterizing but this is literally the plot of Order of the Phoenix

no feeble christ (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link

5 minutes after BoJo dies, he will be recognized as a "crisis actor"

no feeble christ (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 April 2020 22:12 (four years ago) link

I’m gonna be sooooo fucking jealous of y’all in the UK if Boris bites it. That should be OUR oaf lying in state!

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 6 April 2020 00:32 (four years ago) link

Give it time

la légende d'beer (Matt #2), Monday, 6 April 2020 00:34 (four years ago) link

this turd of a year owes us a few more world leaders down at least

aaaaeeeeeeoooooooowwww (Left), Monday, 6 April 2020 00:41 (four years ago) link

Rikers Island jail in NYC has had 5.4% of its population diagnosed with the ‘19 ‘vid, vs 0.08% of the US population.

(0.65 for NYC, 0.53% for NY state, 0.2% for Italy, 0.12% for Wuhan, per Legal Aid NYC.)

donald failson (sic), Monday, 6 April 2020 01:28 (four years ago) link

Times is saying Johnson is on oxygen but wasn’t admitted as an emergency case.

stet, Monday, 6 April 2020 01:51 (four years ago) link

I really wouldn’t like it if Boris Johnson died. this is all so shocking

Dan S, Monday, 6 April 2020 01:55 (four years ago) link

Really

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU0eAWKXsAItP2i?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU4TLxkWkAEGq91?format=jpg&name=medium

The West has long stigmatized mask-wearing, unlike many Asian countries, where those who don’t wear masks during public-health crises are the ones who are stigmatized.

calzino, Monday, 6 April 2020 08:03 (four years ago) link

It should come as no surprise that while scuba apparatus may reduce inhaled SARS-CoV-2 aerosols, it will have no effect on exhaled ones, and arguably would increase them (divers have a different, habitually deeper, breath). The characters wearing surgical masks are protecting their neighbors, granny in her scuba gear isn't. And a 80 CF tank is like 4 hours air at surface pressure. I'd go with a 40.

Sanpaku, Monday, 6 April 2020 12:42 (four years ago) link

NEW: We’re starting to get numbers on remote learning during Covid, and the inequality is staggering: In some high-poverty areas, more than half of children are not able to participate. In some selective schools, “attendance” is near 100%. https://t.co/uO5cMkDvtC

— Dana Goldstein (@DanaGoldstein) April 6, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 April 2020 12:57 (four years ago) link

My wife and tons of other people I know teach college writing classes and they’re all becoming acutely aware of which students are carrying basically as normal, which ones are typing papers on their phones while caring for their siblings, which ones vanish because they get quarantined for 14 days upon returning to their home countries, which ones can’t access google docs in China, etc.

joygoat, Monday, 6 April 2020 13:39 (four years ago) link

the effects of the virus on higher education, especially in the USA, are going to be...what's the right word? I want to say spectacular, but that sounds like a good thing, and I do not mean it that way.

Joey Corona (Euler), Monday, 6 April 2020 13:43 (four years ago) link

even the kids in "perfect attendance" selective schools are not getting their regularly scheduled education unless they're exceptional children w/ exceptional parents. esp if the parents are WFH or working period it's impossible to replicate the level of instruction and engagement in a home setting. the good news is that means all children throughout the world are losing this educational time - some kids might be do better than others at "keeping up" but no one is going to do great at it.

Mordy, Monday, 6 April 2020 14:05 (four years ago) link

"Distance learning" started at my board today. I thought it was a voluntary, casual thing until this morning--seems to be much more official. I get the feeling the teachers I used to work with aren't crazy about this, most having their own kids at home to deal with.

clemenza, Monday, 6 April 2020 14:11 (four years ago) link

This is a nice read from Edmund White:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/06/1980s-aids-pandemic-coronavirus-gay-community-survive

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 April 2020 14:17 (four years ago) link

'Screwed?' Yes. Higher education is spectacularly screwed.

However, I'm involved in primary/secondary education and I think the loss for minor students is more deleterious than for college and university students. A lot of the non-quantifiable skills that ECE and primary education imparts (pro-social, work orientation, academic habits) are grievously compromised by school interruption (in non-covid times), and now we're facing of entire classes of students who will be lacking foundational learning and critical socializing And yes, eventually, some of these kids will go to college w/ skill deficits. But to my eyes, a college student who never encounters de Man and Cixous is probably okay, a high school sophomore who misses the rise of fascism and the entirety of the Spanish Civil War is in a bit of trouble, and a first grader who misses essential phonics is fuuuuuucked.

The Times article raises some good points, but dances around the point that inequities within individual classrooms are being magnified more than than between districts, where the usual issues of fair access, funding, and quality are going to be laid bare.

rb (soda), Monday, 6 April 2020 14:19 (four years ago) link

i have a first grader and basically we've decided to ignore the stay at home "curriculum" and are basically just working on reading + phonetics with her for the reason you gave. such a critical skill if she can gain it while at home it won't be a total loss.

Mordy, Monday, 6 April 2020 14:22 (four years ago) link

I agree with all that, soda. I'm thinking less of the education that students in higher education are missing during this time, and more about the university closures that will follow, and the consequences of that. that's to say, this is kinda inside baseball that may as well go on a higher education thread, so I'll take it there.

Joey Corona (Euler), Monday, 6 April 2020 14:27 (four years ago) link

The government of Barbados is charging that shipment of 20 ventilators it had ordered and already paid for were seized by US authorities and prevented from reaching Barbados. Minister of Health and Wellness Jeffrey Bostic told reporters at a press conference “They were seized in the United States. Paid for, but seized, so we are trying to see exactly what is going to transpire there.”

To date, the epidemic appears limited in Barbados. But cases have grown rapidly in recent days. The country has 48 ventilators but only 3 of the 56 Barbadians who have tested positive are currently on ventilator support. The country has just under 300,000 residents.

??

wtf is going on?

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 6 April 2020 14:37 (four years ago) link

don't worry, jared is in charge. or azar. or birx. or the admiral.

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Monday, 6 April 2020 14:39 (four years ago) link

i thought Pence was “leading the response”

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 6 April 2020 14:40 (four years ago) link

I think the US is going out of its way to make itself the target of everyone who survives this pandemic despite our best efforts to stymie their survival, is wtf is going on.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 April 2020 14:41 (four years ago) link

fitting that the only area in which the us federal government shows any kind of efficiency is theft

mookieproof, Monday, 6 April 2020 14:44 (four years ago) link

For sure, Euler. I realize my post has kind of a 'hey, you think things are bad for YOU?' tone, when I was just lamenting the whole enterprise of education rn.

rb (soda), Monday, 6 April 2020 15:15 (four years ago) link


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