if anything our media bias is towards sensationalism and bad news since that sells papers / earns clicks - titillation and despair
― Mordy, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
w Mordy on this one tbh
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
the bias is systemic and organic to unregulated capitalism
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:35 (four years ago) link
The journalists I know (quite a few) are terrified about losing jobs and are quite aware of institutional biases and privileges, waging daily battles they have 50/50 odds of winning. And these aren't even explicitly political journalists
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:36 (four years ago) link
being reductive about the media = weirdbeing reductive about ilx = wise
― ogmor, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:36 (four years ago) link
i.e not covering the Beltway or even state politics scrim
ogmor your complaint is weird i was responding to like 4+ ppl itt saying the same thing i'm sorry i overgeneralized about ilx
― Mordy, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link
Journalists totally reinforce each other's lane, spoon-fed opinions all the time, and you see it time and again in their tweets about politics or something like covid.
Are the journalists now genuinely trying to convince us that line is "flattening" pic.twitter.com/a3Tl4Lvy0j— Sam ✌️ (@samisam147) April 8, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
wtf nobody fucking said journalists are claiming "the system worked"
the argument is that the parameters of the "what went wrong" story are constrained....which is...obvious?
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
I think ppl don't have much awareness of the power the basic structure and form of media has in shaping thinking at an epistemic/framing/dialectical level, that form isn't neutral just because it can be adopted by a variety of ppl who disagree on a lot of things
― ogmor, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:44 (four years ago) link
^^^^^
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:45 (four years ago) link
Decades of research and thousands of dreary academic journal articles back that up, yeah.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:48 (four years ago) link
plenty of academic research about no matter who you are you are inclined to think the media is biased against you (even the same media for two people with diametrically different positions cf this beirut study)
― Mordy, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:50 (four years ago) link
Not the same as using a monolithic term like The Media, though
xpost
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:51 (four years ago) link
it is remarkable how the far left and the far right are consistently both aligned in that conclusion
xps
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:51 (four years ago) link
and when you talk about "the media" in aggregate you're inevitably picking and choosing who you mean - oh these guys were nicer to my candidate i don't mean them - and ignoring even coverage within supposedly "hostile" outfits that undermine the narrative, etc. "the very nature of our thinking is structured by the media" okay sure but most ppl now get their news online and pick the sources that already appeal to their interests. you can get any news story spun the way you prefer. making broad claims about the medium is the message requires much more than assertion esp in a campaign analysis than many (tho not all!) will/have given here.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:52 (four years ago) link
We need a new tune with more of a schadenfreude feel to replace the now no longer relevant Kool & The Gang tune at top of thread
― anvil, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:53 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAB2sf31mss
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
the reason why you can speculate on the intellectual/class/rhetorical traits of ilxors/columnists/twitter users is bc those mediums all have specific ways of functioning that prioritise some things over others and attract different sorts of ppl. massive national newspapers and tv stations are v obviously shaped by lots of forces that are inimical to wealth redistribution and grassroots politics, which is not to say those are the only relevant forces or that they're inescapable but accepting any media or set of institutions as a natural or permanent feature of the landscape is foolish
― ogmor, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
Not the same as using a monolithic term like The Media
we could go back to "the Fourth Estate"
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:06 (four years ago) link
écrasez l'infâme!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:07 (four years ago) link
no most journalists do not lean "the system worked" are you guys morons do you actually read any newspapers??
the general public does not read papers, you condescending motherfucker.
adios
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link
fp'd you for that, but you're gone from this thread, so I guess you'll never read this
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 20:49 (four years ago) link
what a bizarre discussion. what's happened to these threads?
two things can be true at once: (1) the mainstream political media can be, on balance, a force for good in democracy, and (2) it can to a degree be subject to the same reactionary forces that shape any powerful national institution. I know mordy and shakey have read some marx so this doesn't need to be a controversial statement
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 8 April 2020 21:47 (four years ago) link
where you getting those scales from
― ogmor, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 21:50 (four years ago) link
lifted from the eyes of babes iirc
― gbx, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 23:16 (four years ago) link
On the plus side, I can drop the “Democratic” from my tweets about why Socialism is good. 😉— Briahna Joy Gray (@briebriejoy) April 8, 2020
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 23:31 (four years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/us/politics/biden-sanders-democratic-voters.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
this has some pretty incredible quotes, particularly for the "media doesn't matter!" crowd - my fave is the 69-year old saying she can 'wait four more years' on M4A and a Green New Deal because of Trump.
You have Medicare and you're gonna be dead before we need respirators to move through the wastelands, of course you can wait.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:15 (four years ago) link
In retrospect it was bad to act like Trump is an unprecedentedly bad President, he’s actually pretty normally bad.
― silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:18 (four years ago) link
def now
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:22 (four years ago) link
He's the third or fourth worst Republican President of my lifetime!
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:22 (four years ago) link
most Presidents intentionally let a pandemic rage on because testing hurts his re-electability
― Bo Johnson Coviddied (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:24 (four years ago) link
here comes the Trump reclamation campaign, and his first term isn't even finished
and they make fun of libs for "reclaiming" Dubya
― Bo Johnson Coviddied (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:25 (four years ago) link
"Third or fourth worst Republican" isn't a reclamation, given that they should all be hung upside with their throats slit.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:26 (four years ago) link
He's inarguably done less damage to humanity than Reagan or W, so it's really just about how you feel about Desert Storm/the Highway of Death vs. HW.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:27 (four years ago) link
guessing for most people who'd weigh in, dead people in the Middle East count less of course
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:28 (four years ago) link
death to america
― aaaaeeeeeeoooooooowwww (Left), Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:34 (four years ago) link
Yeah don’t worry I’m not rehabilitating Trump just putting all the other presidents on his level.
― silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:54 (four years ago) link
Yeah Iraq still easily trumps any trump thing so far
― brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Thursday, 9 April 2020 00:55 (four years ago) link
Cant tell if you guys are psyching yrselves up to vote for him or not
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2020 01:06 (four years ago) link
Which of them
― silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 01:07 (four years ago) link
Exactly
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2020 01:07 (four years ago) link
No one itt is voting for trump. No one on this board, even.
― brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Thursday, 9 April 2020 01:13 (four years ago) link
If the Greens want my vote they're going to have to openly accept Russian assistance.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 01:15 (four years ago) link
Which ILXor is this?
We could have had President Elizabeth Warren. Then we could have had all the same policies and values but without the needlessly self-defeating ideological label.Social Security, Medicare & every public goods program ever has been called "socialism" - by people OPPOSED to them.— Mark Gubrud (@mgubrud) April 8, 2020
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 01:23 (four years ago) link
Roger Adultery might still be lurking ILM
What if Biden promises to take yr guns away
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 April 2020 01:40 (four years ago) link
Strong zinger from Rapey Mo, but you need to update the xls buddy.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 01:42 (four years ago) link
we aren't owed good journalism
― crüt, Thursday, 9 April 2020 01:44 (four years ago) link
so we're calling people Rapey Mo now?
― Bo Johnson Coviddied (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 April 2020 01:52 (four years ago) link