Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

thought twice about it, and yes, the job biden thread is the proper place for such a conversation

that's number one

can someone point me the way toward fixing even 1/10th of the problem here?

Maybe bubble up? Advocate first for reform of local elections, then county, then state, etc.

You have a lot more chance of influencing the East Podunk nonpartisan school board election than the presidential election. From there, go to the Podunkia County manager election, and from thence on upward

my city council member is from the Socialist Alternative party and my House Rep is cochair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, is East Podunk gonna do their part or no?

get it?

Thanks to the obnoxiousness of online Biden supporters, I'm not voting for him.

— Marshall Steinbaum 🔥🍉 (@Econ_Marshall) April 8, 2020

whiiiiiiiiiiiiine

look at all these brave boys who proudly can’t see the difference between biden and trump

it's a joek, son, pointing out the unique disqualifiers that Serious People invented for Sanders

I know but it’s just bullshit at this point. I’m a Bernie supporter and it is still plainly obvious to me that Bernie bros are 1000000x more obnoxious, offensive, and unethical on social media than any DNC stooge. People are so wrapped up in this culture war bullshit that Trump feeds on.

I hate to break it to you, but people don’t vote based on social media, and the only difference between abusiveness of various groups of supporters is whose gets collated and commented on. 🙃

I don't give a fuckitty

I WILL vote for Biden... if it looks like he could lose NY

bernie supporters are dicks but i haven't seen hordes of them calling a rape survivor a liar recently so

Indeed.

I was directly responding to Morbs’ tweet which is about people being mean on social media

I mean, my comment wasn’t that long or complicated.

it’s true that only ppl who weren’t going to vote for Biden anyway are deeply concerned about the rape accusations

THAT AND THAT HE LOVED sTROM FUCKIN' tHURMOND

xp this is a good way to make your point, keep at it.

I don’t have a point tbh I’m just sick of this dumb ass discourse that goes nowhere and means nothing

Don’t make me post your posts back to you. If you’re sick of it, best not to add to it?

It’d be nice if we could have a president who wasn’t Donald Trump, even nicer if it were my cool socialist friend but the latter ship has sailed

bernie supporters are dicks but i haven't seen hordes of them calling a rape survivor a liar recently so

― aaaaeeeeeeoooooooowwww (Left), 9. april 2020 14:55 (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The original Intercept article literally went after a charity for rape victims, so that they could attack Biden. Treating rape survivors as collateral damage for a political attack is despicable.

your conduct over this is disgusting and i don't know how you live with yourself

Really, reducing rape to a politcal weapon should look obviously despicable for anyone, but there are different rules if it helps Bernie, it seems.

Love too post on a forum where people apparently think this sort of thing is acceptable.

fred i don't even like bernie you piece of shit. foad

This type of conduct is going to hurt not help MeToo and the larger battle. Instrumentalising rape accusations, deciding on whether or not women should be believed, or sent snake emojis, depending on what man they are talking about. It's absolutely disgusting, and it's not going to help a single woman anywhere.

shut the fuck up rape apologist

Absolutely vile

The level of smallness. Using Tara Reade to stop people talking about 'Bernie Bros'. Instrumentalising rape accusations to defend bros. Vile and disgusting.

who the fuck are you to tell people what's good for feminism or whatever

"deciding on whether or not women should be believed ... depending on what man they are talking about" where do you get the fucking nerve

As a bro, I couldn’t agree more, and I’m proud to be a poster on ilx dot com where we get the pleasure of reading multiple posts and arguments trolling about rape frequently, without moderation or censure.

i genuinely wish you ill fred

Fred, could you please stop mixing together hateful shit you saw on twitter with ilxor posts? no one here is sending snake emojis and you come across as the opportunistic, disingenuous one when you elide the difference

I agree. Give Left a temp-ban. Rape accusations should never be reduced to political weapons.

People here definitely defended the snake emojis, rob, but I'll be happy to keep it out of here.

Everyone keeps saying it’s the Bernie fans who are assholes online and I gotta tell you, I don’t see an appreciable difference in his assholes and the people who were ripping their hair out when he was leading. Maybe some style points, but

And as far as not online (which I suspect has more influence on primary voters over 50), I haven’t seen anyone behave like Chris Matthews or that yammering dipshit James Carville or a parade of concern trolling republicans or literally any of the Very Serious Punditry that simply can not abide a better life for people who aren’t rich from Bernie’s camp

please ban me if this is where scum like this feel comfortable

but hey, they got their guy and maybe they’ll prove once and for all that you can win with an uninspiring loser with a horrible voting record.

Who can’t string a sentence together and who is the subject of several sexual assault allegations!

Nobody feels comfortable here right now. But this attempt to create a new standard for how to treat allegations of sexual assault is absolutely unworkable, and it will tear this place apart, and it can't work even with 'moderation or censure'. We seriously need a different thread to talk it through, or it will wreck every politics thread every day for the next six months.

The UK thread is fine so not every politics thread

Like at some point ppl are going to get that the people who run the Democratic Party don’t just think that Better Things Aren’t Possible, but that they are in fact actively working against those things on behalf of the people and entities who fund their campaigns.

Ok, I apologize if I missed the snake thing. I do think the reification of The Discourse has been very bad for...the discourse.

I know that but honest to god my opinion about that is not as strong as my belief that Orange Man Bad

all rapists are bad imo

Hey Fred, go jump in a lake or a fjord or whatever you have in fucking Cloudcukooland or whatever insignificant pissbaby kingdom you live in and never post again. Thanks!

But this attempt to create a new standard for how to treat allegations of sexual assault is absolutely unworkable, and it will tear this place apart, and it can't work even with 'moderation or censure'. We seriously need a different thread to talk it through, or it will wreck every politics thread every day for the next six months.

― Frederik B, Thursday, 9 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Just love how this is framed as a proposal, like oh let's get a thread to agree on criteria, how to pass judgement on every high level allegation of assault otherwise ilx is cooked.

I do think the reification of The Discourse has been very bad for...the discourse.

― rob, Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:42 AM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

our current discourse is ugly and useless and incentivizes bad faith forms of argumentation.

As I’ve said before I’m no longer arguing, I’m fighting.