Malediction c/d

also not to be obvious but the logic never really made sense to me of wishing death on someone for the crime of putting a low value on the lives of their fellow humans

i'm not saying it necessarily negatively affects a person's psychological health

― Mordy

I definitely am saying exactly this. I don't even know why a conversation needs to be had. "Wishing ill upon others, those who cause ill in the world. Good or bad?" Obv it's bad, I can't believe we need to discuss why it's bad. It's bad as a private therapeutic exercise because it trains your brain to respond to irl problems with maledictory fantasy instead of resolving conflict. It's bad in closed environments because it creates social cliques. It's bad in public forums because it only galvanizes the target in their defensive position instead of being in a position to hear/change/grow etc. It strengthens the resolve of "those who cause ill in the world", it throws progressive movements into infighting and chaos.

This isn't to say that I'm above it or anything-- as I said, I'm extremely looking forward to seeing every one of Trump's children and grandchildren strung up by their feet from a scaffold and have their throats slit while the president is forced to watch-- but I'm not gonna pretend this fantasy has any moral or ethical basis or serves any productive purpose

fgti OTM.

I think we have this deep-seated sense of justice that is very much eye-for-an-eye: those who cause suffering deserve to suffer, themselves. This is intuitive and when we don't see it play out, our sense of justice is violated, so we fantasize. But our intuitive concept of justice is flawed. The "balance sheet" model of suffering often can't zero out. If someone is murdered, and the state (or John Wick) executes the murderer, this obviously doesn't restore the victim's life, fill the social void they left, or heal the grief of their loved ones. They've really just increased the total suffering in the world.

OTOH, if you steal a package from my stoop, it's very hard for me not to wish that it be stolen from you in turn. It doesn't even have to come back to me for my sense of justice to be satisfied. But of course, this doesn't really solve anything again, unless you learn something from the experience. Which, if you're already in the package-thieving business is not likely to happen. My futile wish is usually for the bad to learn a moral lesson.

yes but again you're jumping there to the wish *working*

which is a hell of a jump

I never said it would work, I said it was futile

theres an entire post before that last line

i stand by it

Wow I really "told all" in this thread huh

you were as always impeccable imo

but WRONG!

Gonna leave you something in my will

My ill will

i bumped the other thread especially

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM9gprgz-DE