END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

are all tv chefs totally obnoxious twats?

coincidence that he decided today was the day to be all JUST ASKING QUESTIONS about sexual assault

self righteousness is a helluva drug

(posted with extreme self awareness!)

milo that is some deep xls

that's what it's called??

The Rachael Ray detail really makes it stick, unfortunately.

Bernie was too nice.

He’s going to get absolutely eviscerated, metaphorically. pic.twitter.com/1gMwAyUFe7

— Ryan, Perdido en TX (@RyanLostinTX) April 9, 2020

Look mate, get with the program, the only people who have a problem with Biden as they nominee are BernieBros™️ and incels. Oh and by the way it’ll be their fault too if Biden loses because his inability to speak in complete sentences somehow goes against him.

Bernie couldn’t go after his senility because he’s even older. That he’s showing no apparent decline wouldn’t matter.

Anyway, cross your fingers that the CIA will rent out the heart attack gun before the election.

I think "not showing apparent decline" kinda matters. Reckon it could've been done by not linking it to old age.

I'm really surprised at how hard-hit I've been by the Bernie thing. I like Bernie OK, but I'm not really a huge Bernie supporter, never have been. I don't put much stock in elections, at least not the way they're done here in America. I do find it very personally painful the way a lot of people, including people who identify as left and socialists, treat me when I say that I can't in good conscience vote for Biden.

I understand feeling hurt and betrayed because I feel that way too. What I am hurt by is this constant insistence on fear, guilt, and shame. I don't like it. I don't think it's good or right or healthy, and I am _really_ hurt by people blaming me for being unable to vote for someone "nominated" by a process that wasn't fair, free or open, a candidate who was decided on before the people who designed this fantastic process even asked me. I believe in voting as an act of radical intersectional solidarity, but I am just not in solidarity with the people who made Biden the Democratic candidate. I don't trust them to speak for me. I don't _want_ Joe Biden to speak for me!

And whenever I point that out the response is always Trump, Trump, Trump, personally blaming me for not being able to go along with this, for pointing out that the "lesser evil" is still evil and there are things other than evil in this world. I'm OK with compromise, I'm even OK with "Realpolitik" to an extent. This surpasses that extent. I will not vote for a candidate I do not trust who was nominated through a process that makes a mockery of the principles of democracy, _particularly_ not if the election I am expected to vote for him in is _another_ election where my vote doesn't count, a _completely different_ mockery of the principles of democracy.

The Republican Party and those who vote for it want me dead, whether they will admit to it or not. I don't talk to people who voted for Trump if I can avoid it, I moved across the country to a state that wasn't run by Republicans when Trump got elected. And yes, I was lucky, or "privileged" as certain people like to put it, but I'm also alive, which honestly, if I hadn't gotten the hell out of the Midwest, I'm not sure I'd be right now.

It rips me up, tears me apart, that I can't help all of the people who are suffering because of not just Trump, but so many _institutions_ that are weapons of destruction against minorities, racial minorities, religious minorities, queer people, and the accusation, which I've heard, that I am heartless or indifferent to the suffering people have gone through under Trump- it really upsets me. What about all of the _other_ causes of oppression? I'm just supposed to ignore those, ignore all of the other gross injustices, and boil everything down to one goddamn hateful asshole?

I don't believe that. I believe in treating everybody I can with kindness and respect, whether they vote for Biden or not. I recognize that people are afraid of Trump winning again, that people feel hurt and betrayed, but this sort of transference where my queer ass is the _real_ problem, where people who believed in Bernie, people I like and trust and care about, people who have behaved with decency and fairness and kindness, are supposed to just knuckle under and vote blindly for his antithesis because he has a "D" next to his name without even being offered a fucking olive branch... it upsets me.

...clarification: "lucky" isn't the same as "privileged" and i was both

Marvelous post, Kate.

thanks alfred!

Speaking for myself, I don't vote for candidates to speak for me -- I vote for the candidates who have the closest alignment with my political aims. If the candidate meets, say, one or two of ten of those aims, that's enough for me in 2020, especially as a queer Latino Floridian. I suspect thousands of voters in the South also voted in the primaries using similar metrics.

But I get there are certain Rubicons many people can't cross. I'll leave it there.

I will not vote for a candidate I do not trust who was nominated through a process that makes a mockery of the principles of democracy, _particularly_ not if the election I am expected to vote for him in is _another_ election where my vote doesn't count, a _completely different_ mockery of the principles of democracy.

otm

Thanks for your post, Kate. It’s essential to state clearly how the misery of USA life for so many has deeper sources than the current us president.

julio do you know who tucker carlson is?

we aren’t owed a free and fair primary election

I am just not in solidarity with the people who made Biden the Democratic candidate.

I am guessing by this that you mean someone other than African-American voters?

I know who Tucker Carlson is. I wish the Democrats also knew this and would go for a candidate who could be attacked on stuff like cost of policy or weird abstractions like 'socialism', or even someone who could string a sentence rather than someone displaying a basic, very apparent lack of fitness for office.

I also know about unfair elections (no need to single out a primary election) and that voters aren't owed anything, which is amazing but that's where we are xp to crut

Yeah, it’s definitely the voters who have more influence than the DNC. Just say you hate the left, guys.

i hate the left

😱

I am fan of the left and left (ilx poster)

Both lefts are good, detractors never show their work.

Kate's post from this morning was very good. I've made entirely cynical peace with the idea that I vote against Rs rather than for anyone. And while I would never vote for a republican under any conceivable circumstances, I lived in Chicago for a decade so "blue no matter who" is an entirely uninspiring motto for me (at one point Daley was my mayor and Blagojevich was my governor).

I have loved the left for quite a while, though I'm not entirely convinced that ILXoR poster Left isn't a Fred psi-op.

latter day nakh sock

i've only ever lived in red states full of paleocon jackasses & i'll vote for basically any dem who isn't pro-life

*sound of ilx leftists furiously googling to find any insinuation that biden is pro-life*

There’s that matter of the Hyde Amendment

I lived in Georgia before Chicago, so my hatred for Rs is also stronger than my contempt for some Ds. My point was just that not all antipathy for voting for the likes of Biden derives from naive idealism, sometimes it derives from intimate familiarity with the Democratic party as a corrupt haven for racists.

And child rapists!

Speaking for myself, I don't vote for candidates to speak for me -- I vote for the candidates who have the closest alignment with my political aims. If the candidate meets, say, one or two of ten of those aims, that's enough for me in 2020, especially as a queer Latino Floridian. I suspect thousands of voters in the South also voted in the primaries using similar metrics.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

absolutely fair! honestly, i if i lived in a swing state my thought process would probably be different. hell, i'm not even saying i _won't_ in the end vote for biden, only that the way people are trying to convince me to do it is deeply counterproductive, divisive, and hurtful to me.

I’ve said this elsewhere but I def think it’s silly to try to convince someone to vote for Biden if they spent the last year saying they’d never in a million years vote for evil capitalist Elizabeth Warren

This is nice

In another example of "nothing to see here, no party bias against Sanders, move along," I got this "survey" to my email from DAGA:

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"Regardless of who wins..." indicates that it was written before Bernie dropped out - if it had been emailed out then with Bernie on the list, the pissing and moaning would have been measurable from space.

regardless of who wins their people better be able to revise their email campaigns to reflect major and directly relevant changes.

I am guessing by this that you mean someone other than African-American voters?

― Andrew Farrell

are you black andrew? if so i'll talk to you about your concerns, trans white woman to black man, and maybe we can come to a common agreement. i hope so.

UKFredB

NEWS: Bernie is going to keep every single staff member on their healthcare through November. We’re all crying. I am so proud to work for this man 😭❤️

— Jack Califano (@jackcalifano) April 9, 2020

xpost I voted for Bernie but I don't think Biden having a VP that's older than him is the best idea

Jesus no - I'm so white, I'm Irish. And it's a fair point, underlined, by Milo, to keep to my lane - the obliviousness to the other reading just jumped out at me, is all.

Jesus no - I'm so white, I'm Irish. And it's a fair point, underlined, by Milo, to keep to my lane - the obliviousness to the other reading just jumped out at me, is all.

― Andrew Farrell

yeah, i'll be honest with you and say that your statement really ticked me off and i had to take a couple deep breaths before responding. you seem to get why so i won't belabor the point. thanks for understanding!

this has some pretty incredible quotes, particularly for the "media doesn't matter!" crowd - my fave is the 69-year old saying she can 'wait four more years' on M4A and a Green New Deal because of Trump.

considering that the ACA required a 60-40 advantage in the Senate to break filibuster and passed with zero Republican support, we're going to be waiting a lot more than four years for M4A regardless of who the President is.

all you need is a President that won't veto the legislation and promote the bill. but until the Dems actually start making serious inroads in the Senate, this thing is dead in the water.

for all the damage TRump has done, we could have avoided much of it had we somehow taken the Senate back by even a 51-49 margin in 2016. that was two SCOTUS justices right there.

I think everyone’s aware of the makeup and value of the Senate?

getting the margins that we had in 2009 seems unlikely even through 2022.