Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

I don’t have a point tbh I’m just sick of this dumb ass discourse that goes nowhere and means nothing

Don’t make me post your posts back to you. If you’re sick of it, best not to add to it?

It’d be nice if we could have a president who wasn’t Donald Trump, even nicer if it were my cool socialist friend but the latter ship has sailed

bernie supporters are dicks but i haven't seen hordes of them calling a rape survivor a liar recently so

― aaaaeeeeeeoooooooowwww (Left), 9. april 2020 14:55 (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The original Intercept article literally went after a charity for rape victims, so that they could attack Biden. Treating rape survivors as collateral damage for a political attack is despicable.

your conduct over this is disgusting and i don't know how you live with yourself

Really, reducing rape to a politcal weapon should look obviously despicable for anyone, but there are different rules if it helps Bernie, it seems.

Love too post on a forum where people apparently think this sort of thing is acceptable.

fred i don't even like bernie you piece of shit. foad

This type of conduct is going to hurt not help MeToo and the larger battle. Instrumentalising rape accusations, deciding on whether or not women should be believed, or sent snake emojis, depending on what man they are talking about. It's absolutely disgusting, and it's not going to help a single woman anywhere.

shut the fuck up rape apologist

Absolutely vile

The level of smallness. Using Tara Reade to stop people talking about 'Bernie Bros'. Instrumentalising rape accusations to defend bros. Vile and disgusting.

who the fuck are you to tell people what's good for feminism or whatever

"deciding on whether or not women should be believed ... depending on what man they are talking about" where do you get the fucking nerve

As a bro, I couldn’t agree more, and I’m proud to be a poster on ilx dot com where we get the pleasure of reading multiple posts and arguments trolling about rape frequently, without moderation or censure.

i genuinely wish you ill fred

Fred, could you please stop mixing together hateful shit you saw on twitter with ilxor posts? no one here is sending snake emojis and you come across as the opportunistic, disingenuous one when you elide the difference

I agree. Give Left a temp-ban. Rape accusations should never be reduced to political weapons.

People here definitely defended the snake emojis, rob, but I'll be happy to keep it out of here.

Everyone keeps saying it’s the Bernie fans who are assholes online and I gotta tell you, I don’t see an appreciable difference in his assholes and the people who were ripping their hair out when he was leading. Maybe some style points, but

And as far as not online (which I suspect has more influence on primary voters over 50), I haven’t seen anyone behave like Chris Matthews or that yammering dipshit James Carville or a parade of concern trolling republicans or literally any of the Very Serious Punditry that simply can not abide a better life for people who aren’t rich from Bernie’s camp

please ban me if this is where scum like this feel comfortable

but hey, they got their guy and maybe they’ll prove once and for all that you can win with an uninspiring loser with a horrible voting record.

Who can’t string a sentence together and who is the subject of several sexual assault allegations!

Nobody feels comfortable here right now. But this attempt to create a new standard for how to treat allegations of sexual assault is absolutely unworkable, and it will tear this place apart, and it can't work even with 'moderation or censure'. We seriously need a different thread to talk it through, or it will wreck every politics thread every day for the next six months.

The UK thread is fine so not every politics thread

Like at some point ppl are going to get that the people who run the Democratic Party don’t just think that Better Things Aren’t Possible, but that they are in fact actively working against those things on behalf of the people and entities who fund their campaigns.

Ok, I apologize if I missed the snake thing. I do think the reification of The Discourse has been very bad for...the discourse.

I know that but honest to god my opinion about that is not as strong as my belief that Orange Man Bad

all rapists are bad imo

Hey Fred, go jump in a lake or a fjord or whatever you have in fucking Cloudcukooland or whatever insignificant pissbaby kingdom you live in and never post again. Thanks!

But this attempt to create a new standard for how to treat allegations of sexual assault is absolutely unworkable, and it will tear this place apart, and it can't work even with 'moderation or censure'. We seriously need a different thread to talk it through, or it will wreck every politics thread every day for the next six months.

― Frederik B, Thursday, 9 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Just love how this is framed as a proposal, like oh let's get a thread to agree on criteria, how to pass judgement on every high level allegation of assault otherwise ilx is cooked.

I do think the reification of The Discourse has been very bad for...the discourse.

― rob, Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:42 AM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

our current discourse is ugly and useless and incentivizes bad faith forms of argumentation.

As I’ve said before I’m no longer arguing, I’m fighting.

The thing that is happening right now is that the dirtbag left is trying to co-opt MeToo, and it's going to be a disaster if it happens. For women and victims of sexual assault most of all.

What happened to shut up, dingdong

fred you have literally no idea what you are talking about and please stop trying to speak for women or victims of sexual assault. i.e., the only people who should be able to decide whether to "instrumentalize rape allegations" or whatever tf

Thoughtlording on this topic in a forum where 3/4 of the women who made it more vital just a few years ago already have stopped posting is not something we need

― silby, Wednesday, April 8, 2020 10:38 AM (yesterday)

Fred you are making this forum worse with this crap, stop shitting it everywhere

Look, I'm sympathetic to the idea that only women and victims of sexual assault should be able to decide the discourse surrounding sexual assault - it would end 99% of this pile on, that's for sure, + the story began rolling after Ryan Grim went after Time's Up, so. But it's unworkable. You'll only get buy in from nice and sympathetic male feminists, and then run straight forward into shouty Lindsay Graham, and be nowhere still.

Fred shhhhhhhhh

it would end 99% of this pile on

As long as we know who the real victim is here (and who of course acts as the voice of women on here).

A reminder that all of Fred's posts come with a flag link, which we should all use.

I don’t have a point tbh I’m just sick of this dumb ass discourse that goes nowhere and means nothing

Please fuck can someone make this new Borad description

the comic bit about "who made you volunteer nazi safety advocate" but instead it's "who made you the volunteer sexual assault victim cross-examiner."

I don't understand what the fuck is wrong with some people.

Come on let's get fred to 51 folks

An Easter miracle

“Shut the fuck up Frederik,” said ILX disdainfully.

Come on let's get fred to 51 folks

An Easter miracle

― COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver)

'k, i don't know if i have or not yet, mostly i avoid this thread but avoiding work is more important to me rn so i'll do my bit

NEW:

The @JoeBiden campaign is set to make its first big overture to @BernieSanders voters.

Biden will roll out two policies:

* Lower Medicare age to 60

* Forgive student debt for low/ middle income borrowers

Lots of news from me and @paulwaldman1:https://t.co/Jxs93A94hR

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) April 9, 2020

the comic bit about "who made you volunteer nazi safety advocate" but instead it's "who made you the volunteer sexual assault victim cross-examiner."

I don't understand what the fuck is wrong with some people.

They’d want to do a bit better than “lowering Medicare age to 60”.

Please fuck can someone make this new Borad description

cosign