END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

Where does Biden (or, rather, his ghost writers) mention when the United States will reopen? It's a harmless article with the usual platitudes, like:

If I were president, I would convene top experts from the private sector, industry by industry, to come up with new ideas on how to operate more safely. Perhaps offices and factories will need to space out workers and pursue other solutions to lessen risk of spread of the virus on the job. Restaurants may need new layouts, with diners farther apart.

That isn't harmless, a restaurant has kitchens too, are you going to re-model those?...and again what if that restaurant isn't able to have enough customers per day to make enough of a profit, does it go under?

Why not just cover it's costs and make sure that it can re-open when a vaccine is found. It sounds easier to me.

It's not so much a matter of what's there, it's a matter of what's not. Faced with a sea of despair, misery, suffering, the literal response of Joe Biden or his ghost-writers is to say "let's rearrange the furniture".

Joe, what vessel do you think we're traveling on?

clue: deck chairs

yeah, that was what i was sort of going for, sorry if i was too oblique about it!

The Titanic is passé. We're all on a Carnival cruise ship!

there's a biden-bernie livestream going on right now. biden just said he'll need bernie's help not just winning the election but governing. now he's talking about how we need to raise the min wage to $15 and help workers during the coronavirus time.

joe just said "we can't just build back to the way things were before we need to build to a better future"

and now he's asking bernie for more advice for how to make the economy work for more people

hard to imagine this message lasts the entire campaign in every venue but biden is sounding a lot like bernie atm

Biden making a stump speech in front of a friendly crowd at a state fair would sound a good bit different from Biden online doing a livestream sit down with Bernie. Different audiences, different messages. This tete a' tete does not mean Biden will morph into Bernie, but it is evidence he's been briefed and he is taking it in. He's making an effort to include Bernie's voters as an important part of the mix, and he knows he'll have to adopt parts of Bernie's agenda to win them over.

yea this is the first time I've actually felt a small glimmer of hope about a Biden administration

he knows he'll have to adopt give lip service to parts of Bernie's agenda to win them over

I mean yes, to "win them over" in terms of getting votes, but obviously if you think a President Joe Biden would ever "adopt parts of Bernie's agenda" I hava a Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act to sell you

With the utmost respect for Bernie Sanders, who is an incredible human being & a genuine inspiration, I don't endorse Joe Biden.

I supported Bernie Sanders because he backed ideas like #MedicareForAll, cancelling ALL student debt, & a wealth tax. Biden supports none of those.

— Briahna Joy Gray (@briebriejoy) April 13, 2020

Not like Biden ever could adopt any such policies if you're to believe the "President has no real power under a Republican congress" take that gets deployed on cue to denigrate that agenda as delusionally unrealistic/radical whenever bad faith discussion of "HoW iS hE gOnNa PaSs AnY oF tHiS??" comes up ;)

so that's two prez elections Gray will sit out, eh?

Well done her.

That kind of messianism does have a childish ruthlessness which works beautifully on social media, for sure.

The Titanic is passé. We're all on a Carnival cruise ship!

Lucky we're not on a Princess ship

where does she live?

Gray's reasoning is ruthless, yes, and also soberly clear. She is not following Bernie which you'd think she would -- if as many people think of Bernie as a messianic sort.

If she'd kept it to herself, well and good. But of course she wants to make her decision public, thus signaling to millions of other minorities that it's okay to sit out this election. She's signaling it's okay to doom themselves. As a POC, I find this disheartening and gross.

For Briahna Joy Gray:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iALyrLFJjlE

This, however, is good news: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/politics/virginia-election-day-holiday-early-voting/index.html

If she'd kept it to herself, well and good. But of course she wants to make her decision public, thus signaling to millions of other minorities that it's okay to sit out this election. She's signaling it's okay to doom themselves. As a POC, I find this disheartening and gross.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),Monday, April 13, 2020 1:54 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

fair enough, but also: fairly certain no one outside of the twitter wonkaverse/current affairs readership even knows who she is or will ever hear her opinion

I thought Sanders supporters on social media would also follow his campaign secretary on Twitter?

thus signaling to millions of other minorities that it's okay to sit out this election.

What were you saying like two days ago about depriving voters of agency when you talk about the effect of leaders and endorsements?

yeah what

anyway, if she’s not in a swing state good for her.

and if she is, welp that her business.

What were you saying like two days ago about depriving voters of agency when you talk about the effect of leaders and endorsements?

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z),Monday, April 13, 2020 5:05 PM

the two things can exist at the same time!

It's not 'signalling' FFS it's her opinion, and yes outside of twitter she won't be known.

The activists that went out for Bernie won't be sweating for Biden. It will probably be ok xps

Or a lot of them anyway.

and if she is, welp that her business.

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will),Monday, April 13, 2020 2:07 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

sorry but if you tweet something it's no longer just your business

That kind of messianism does have a childish ruthlessness which works beautifully on social media, for sure.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),Monday, April 13, 2020 4:40 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if it was messianism—a mischaracterization that Biden et al certainly milked for all it was worth—it would stand to reason that she (and others) woud simply follow suit with endorsements. If anything her tweet bolsters the "not me, us" message of the campaign.

you’re right she should definitely know her place and keep her vote to herself if she doesn’t want to support... Joe Biden

my god

if it was messianism—a mischaracterization that Biden et al certainly milked for all it was worth—it would stand to reason that she (and others) woud simply follow suit with endorsements. If anything her tweet bolsters the "not me, us" message of the campaign.

― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VII

I heard this in 2016 too from his most fervent supporters, and it's clever.

Anyway strictly in terms of negotiating strategy it's incumbent on her to compensate proprtionately for Bernie's (also strategic) endorsement

why would she just jump on board? Bernie needs her (and others) to preserve their leverage while he plays nice

it's not like they didn't discuss this

Risking four more years of Trump = a boon for the coming socialist revolution? That's quite the wager.

People really hate her. There are an awful lot of people on Twitter who desperately wish she fit the BernieBro stereotype, and so brand every criticism or interaction with another candidate, no matter how anodyne, as hideously toxic.

Third Way to Bernie supporters, all year long no matter what: you must be in a cult, no one can possibly be fervent about ideas

It's fucking APRIL but "my god, praise Joe Biden now or TRUMP in seven months!"

the only thing her twitter persona affects is the direction of her career. if she's going to be writing intercept posts again in a week, why would anyone expect her to endorse biden? are we waiting for a glenn greenwald endorsement too?

Risking four more years of Trump = a boon for the coming socialist revolution? That's quite the wager.

― coviderunt omnes (pomenitul),Monday, 13 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

That's your imagination doing more work than it should.

Brianna wants medicare and fair taxes. She isn't getting it.

Equally Trump isn't a fascist.

The conclusion is to sit this one out. Sober, like I said.

Personally, I would not expect the average Bernie supporter to endorse Joe Biden. I would simply hope they would make the effort to vote in November and silently, with some feelings of bitterness, vote for Biden at the same time. Announcing you "do not endorse Biden" is not the same as announcing you will not vote for him, but in this instance, given her position, its timing and its tone, it will be widely understood as her endorsing the idea of deliberately not voting for Biden.

Fuck Biden, but even his subpar deportations freeze policy would be a huge step up for undocumented immigrants, among others.

xp

If you think there would be a freeze on deportations then I don't know what to tell you.

Fair enough.