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xp Voodoo (an aside):
Pre-Haber process, guano was the main source of importing nitrogenous fertilizer and obtaining saltpeter for gunpowder in the 19th and very-early 20th century. It was a big deal and fortunes were made; the US still claims 10 islands under the Guano Islands Act of 1856.

Chile was a participant in the Chincha Islands War (1864-66), joining with Peru to defeat a Spanish claim to some guano islands off the Peruvian coast, and in the War of the Pacific (1879-84) it fought with Peru to claim Tarapacá and it's guano islands, and with Bolivia to claim the caliche nitrate deposits of the Atacama desert (and Bolivia's coastline). It's just a fascinating era of economic history, when thousands died over bird shit. Though guano depleted and exports declined, from 1884-1929 or so the main export was nitrates serving the same markets. Since the 30s, the largest export has been copper.

speaking moistly (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link

Is that where the Guano Apes came from

genital giant (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 18:24 (four years ago) link

there is a good 99% invisible about guano. https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/guano-mania/

Yerac, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 18:34 (four years ago) link

Oh, I get hysterical, guano-mania
Oh can you feel it, do you believe it?

☮️ (peace, man), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 18:37 (four years ago) link

Can we call it the Trump virus yet? It happened while he was in charge and it's what he'd do with other presidents

StanM, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 19:07 (four years ago) link

the difference is that we know it doesn't make sense, and that since they don't care what we think (or even if we live or die), you're just doing a parody performance for the choir

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 19:12 (four years ago) link

(not that i don't do that parody performance quite frequently - just saying it's cathartic in a way and natural, but means nothing)

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 19:13 (four years ago) link

well since dead bodies have been shown to be contagious, i guess that is wrong. xpost.

Yerac, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 19:24 (four years ago) link

lol?

The NYT asked its writers to describe a bright thing for them during these dark times. Donald G. McNeil Jr., their great science reporter, says he can finally sleep again. "There's nothing left to warn against. Everyone - almost everyone - understands."https://t.co/iPTPAxJHqL pic.twitter.com/D65xOUgWIq

— Mark Berman (@markberman) April 14, 2020

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 21:50 (four years ago) link

Massive under-counting of pandemic deaths being probed in NYC:

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-deaths-confirmed-probable-daily-04142020.pdf

New York City today has reported 3,778 additional deaths that have occurred since March 11 and have been classified as "probable," defined as follows: “decedent [...] had no known positive laboratory test for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) but the death certificate lists as a cause of death “COVID-19” or an equivalent"

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link

Today will be the highest amount of reported deaths in the USA, we've already eclipsed April 10th's peak with several hours of reporting left.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 22:17 (four years ago) link

i won't make it. i gotta avoid reading articles like that because imagining that kind of hell for 2 years, even intermittent, is enough to shut down all of my optimism

(not telling anybody not to post it, just venting my own despair)

genital giant (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 03:04 (four years ago) link

They buried this at the end of that Bloomberg article (my bolding):

on-and-off social distancing measures might be needed until 2022, unless hospital capacity is increased, or effective vaccines or treatments are developed.

yeah. no effective vaccine and no effective treatment seems likely to lead to no effective response except more social distancing. or so many people have been infected that herd immunity takes over. duh.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 03:11 (four years ago) link

Incredibly significant: Video appearing to show Guatemala health official saying deportation flight from US had between 50-75% of people test COVID-19+ -given @ICEgov packs flights, 100+ people *one flight* would be nearly as many cases as ICE has confirmed in custody *right now* https://t.co/4dl6XxO6UR

— Molly O'Toole (@mollymotoole) April 14, 2020

i mean, ICE and trump wouldn't submit migrants to unsafe conditions, lie about their covid status (or just never test them in the first place), and then deport them to another country without letting on about their condition, would they??

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 05:09 (four years ago) link

jhu usa map: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

mookieproof, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 15:28 (four years ago) link

A 106-year old woman has just been discharged from hospital in the UK after recovering from the virus.

If you can live through two world wars and two lethal global pandemics then you are basically indestructible as far as I'm concerned.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 15:40 (four years ago) link

ha, yes, a 104-year-old guy in Oregon survived it as well

https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/104-year-old-wwii-veteran-recovers-from-covid-19-celebrates-birthday/

sleeve, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 15:46 (four years ago) link

diar hoe a

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link

wow what an exceedingly worthless diagram

silby, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 17:51 (four years ago) link

This is my favorite COVID graphing website for US/Canada. Simple and functional. And you can drill down into counties (at least in California).

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

DJI, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 18:26 (four years ago) link

as if we didn't know

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/antibody-tests-need-be-place-2nd-coronavirus-wave-cdc-director-n1182621

like I said, sex is kind of over for single people, unless Russian roulette is yr fancy

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link

Given the number of deaths, USA either has truthfully had 2.5 - 3 million cases, or our mortality rate is alarmingly high, right?

genital giant (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 20:06 (four years ago) link

The US ranks #14 in deaths per 1M capita (86/1M), trailing countries such as Spain(397/1M!), Belgium, Italy, France, UK, Holland, Switzerland, Sweden, Ireland...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 20:27 (four years ago) link

...but the state of New York is tracking at 552/1M and not really slowing down sadly.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 20:28 (four years ago) link

....and even then, those NY numbers are very under-reported and need to be adjusted as I posted upthread yesterday.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 20:30 (four years ago) link

beyond galaxy brain:

“When it’s my time to go, God’s going to call me home,” Smith said. “I think that to live is inherently to take risks. I’m not concerned about this virus any more than I am about the flu.”

Smith supports Trump’s recent insinuation that he may forcibly reopen states whose governors continue to support stay-at-home orders, though it’s not clear that Trump actually has the power to do any such thing. “We are not promised a pathogen-free existence,” Smith said. “We do not have a constitutional right to not get a virus.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-loyalists-and-allies-urge-defiance-of-coronavirus-safety-measures

The Lansing protest has been embraced on “Michiganders Against Excessive Quarantine,” a growing Facebook group with more than 320,000 members. Like other critics of the current social distancing requirements, Ponkowski points to the national coronavirus death rates, which have failed to meet the direst predictions, as proof that it’s time to relax stay-at-home orders.

“They were predicting huge numbers of people falling ill and dying, and that wasn’t the case,” Ponkowski said.

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link

It was wholly predictable that when drastic measures produced results, some people would point to those results and claim that it proved drastic measures were never warranted.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 20:51 (four years ago) link

imagine when they see how big our military budget is, despite the fact that the US hasn't been invaded like ever

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 20:53 (four years ago) link

sad lol

sleeve, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 20:57 (four years ago) link

imagine the measures we'd be taking if 25,000 americans had been killed over the last month by brown people

mookieproof, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 21:21 (four years ago) link

“When it’s my time to go, God’s going to call me home,” Smith said. “I think that to live is inherently to take risks. I’m not concerned about this virus walking out into fast-moving traffic any more than I am about the flu.”

“We are not promised a pathogen-free impact injuries-free existence,” Smith said. “We do not have a constitutional right to not get a virus mown down by 18-wheeler trucks.”

I got 5G on it (Matt #2), Thursday, 16 April 2020 13:45 (four years ago) link

do these people realize that Applebees is not gonna reopen because they chose to be dumbasses

frogbs, Thursday, 16 April 2020 14:00 (four years ago) link

They do not

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 16 April 2020 14:10 (four years ago) link

The thing is, given any kind of easing of restrictions, some places will open, and impatient people will flock to those places, and pretty soon we'll all be right back on lockdown again.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 16 April 2020 14:24 (four years ago) link

'we need our mojo back'

Dr. Oz just made the argument that we should reopen schools because *only* 2-3% of kids will die.
pic.twitter.com/yKaHEybZqj

— Joshua Potash (@JoshuaPotash) April 16, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 16 April 2020 15:03 (four years ago) link

Mr. Mojo Risible

Three Hundred Pounds of Almond Joy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 April 2020 15:47 (four years ago) link

tbf it's not the kids who are gonna die, not that it makes this any less dumb

frogbs, Thursday, 16 April 2020 15:48 (four years ago) link

"mmmm....appetizing!"

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 April 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link

Some friends of mine that have mostly taken a smart approach to things until now are starting to argue for reopening the NYC economy soon and it's causing me some distress. They're not even people who have suffered any personal economic losses as a result yet (other than maybe in their 401ks). They are posting stuff like "NYC needs to start reopening businesses by May 1!" and "School not starting in September is out of the question!" Like, you might as well say "The hurricane will just have to tack east, end of story."

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 16 April 2020 16:11 (four years ago) link

“It’s simply unsustainable”

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 April 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link

I just keep thinking about that tweet about people who "want to speak to the manager of Coronavirus." Maybe it's too glib but it's very accurate.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 16 April 2020 16:15 (four years ago) link

I spoke to the coronavirus and it didn't give a shit, sorry

kinder, Thursday, 16 April 2020 16:33 (four years ago) link

man alive, sounds like your friends are bored. so bored. it is the absolutely worst to be that bored.

Yerac, Thursday, 16 April 2020 16:43 (four years ago) link

such survivors.

Yerac, Thursday, 16 April 2020 16:45 (four years ago) link


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