Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

The stupendous ignorance isn't endemic to presidents. We survived Andrew Johnson, Chet Arthur, Harding, Reagan after his first term, and Bush II. This bothers me less than the Emoluments Clause violations, another level of criminality.

We survived Reagan and we survived HW Bush and we survived W Bush and we'll survive Trump - none of them managed to end the world. Voting for the lesser evil at each stop did give us a declining standard of living, forever war and the most imprisoned people in the 'free' world.

That "we" stands out like a sore thumb. There were a lot of "us" who did not survive.

Nor can I see how there is a direct causal relationship between voting (eventually, in the general election) for Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, or HRC and those outcomes, when the winners were Reagan, GHW Bush, GW Bush, and Trump. You can say one led to the other, but I notice you don't say how.

Defining the problem over and over, that Joe is bad and you don't like or trust him, is not productive.

― A is for (Aimless),Wednesday, April 15, 2020 11:39 AM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Joe Biden is bad

what other unproductive things can I do today

post you and Zero to "your fuckin cats" thread

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don't follow US politics (because life's too short) but watching some random biden virtual town hall thing that just popped up in one of my socials... this guy seems.... uh.... not good

like, physically. why does he slur his words and not finish his sentences

lookit

lookit at his record. and if you don't like it, don't vote for him! that's number one number two

sigh

post you and Zero to "your fuckin cats" thread

― donald failson (sic),Wednesday, April 15, 2020 12:38 PM (eight minutes ago)

easier to do now I sit at my home computer every day instead of never

I doubt Gloria La Riva gets on ballots outside of California.

She was a "certified" write-in candidate in NY in 2016, and I voted for her.

When you vote third party or write-in, your "I Voted" sticker should have a little halo on it. Otherwise, why bother?

Oooh, good call. What does the Biden I Voted sticker get - a picture of a family being drone striked or like a 35-year old slitting their wrists because of student debt that can't be discharged?

"we survived reagan"

oh we did, huh

if you vote for every increasingly worse Dem candidate w/ zero qualms, perhaps a portrait of yourself eating shit is in order

xp

I prefer the smaller portion size.

gotta watch that waste

Stacey Abrams is a good politician who is going to be around for awhile. I think to put a 10-year state senator a breath from the presidency is a mistake, certainly in a crisis and with the candidate being his age. https://t.co/5DWOhxSbsM

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) April 15, 2020

Aside from pointing out she has served as a state senator for ten years I don’t know what makes this take any more valuable than any random asshole’s.

I mean even the people I disagree with the most on this board tend to put forth way better arguments than that tweet

There are no jobs that qualify someone to be Most Powerful Human Being On The Planet.

Trump's problem isn't that he was never governor of New York.

generally having held a position in government, law, or to a lesser degree military (ugh) is a good idea prior to running the Executive branch.

his chief problem isn't that he doesn't know how government works (though that doesn't help) but that he doesn't care, because he thinks it shouldn't work the way it does.

that being said, yes, that's a dumb tweet.

Aside from pointing out she has served as a state senator for ten years I don’t know what makes this take any more valuable than any random asshole’s.

it's on twitter!

Donald Trump is not opposed to American military adventurism, theft of natural resources, or slaughtering brown people. It's only an accident of self-interest that he hasn't yet started another full-on war.

He is without question the worst president we've had in my lifetime. Likely the worst ever.

― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII),Wednesday, 15 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Biden won't drone-bomb an Afghan wedding now? And his inaction on climate will make him as bad as Trump.

But hey he will tweet less and since you all don't like twitter that's a positive.

theres no difference between trump and biden, is it

worth repeating:

temporarily breaking my self-imposed ban from politics threads to say don’t waste your breath arguing with someone who can’t tell the difference between Biden and Trump and who also cannot vote here

― crüt,Wednesday, April 15, 2020 3:28 PM (yesterday)

I still don't know why people are debating this now, rather than say Monday 2nd November.

theres no difference between trump and biden, is it

― steer calmer (darraghmac),Thursday, 16 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Is there enough of a difference to count, is the question.

There's the matter of SCOTUS justices and federal judges, many of whom will write decisions decades after presidents have left the scene.

So Biden or Trump doesn't count for the next few years. The damage has been done.

I still don't know why people are debating this now, rather than say Monday 2nd November.

Oh, don't worry, we'll do that too.

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theres no difference between trump and biden, is it

― steer calmer (darraghmac),Thursday, 16 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Is there enough of a difference to count, is the question.

― xyzzzz__

the answer is yes

btw, this is dumb, but also ^^^^^^ is the biggest problem facing biden this year. stuff like this. it doesn't matter how dumb it is, it'll lead to a ton of left-leaning people not voting at all. bummer

sorry: not voting or voting for whoever the green party is throwing out there this year

not a huge deal in the majority of states where our votes (for president, at least), don't really count for much , like new york or california or illinois.

but the same thing applies to a bunch of left-leaning confused people in michigan, ohio, etc etc, whose votes DO count

but yeah, run with it: you can't tell the difference between trump and biden, great job

i would like to echo karl's answer to the question: yes

My answer: Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

No one otherwise politically committed is not voting or voting third because some rando online said they can't see a meaningful difference in Biden and Trump.

People who vote Green (or some percentage who don't vote) do so because they decide that they don't see that meaningful difference. They're not being hoodwinked by a guy on a message board.

didn't say they were

i'm saying (with evidence, i think), that a lot of people can't seem to tell the difference between biden and trump.

People who vote Green (or some percentage who don't vote) do so because they decide that they don't see that meaningful difference.

also, i've voted green before (not for president), and i will again this year. i do in just about every election. there are other reasons to vote Green, besides not being able to tell the difference between donald trump and biden (can't believe i just typed those words again)

i seem to remember there was little difference between trump and hillary too. i mean, at least trump won't start a war!

never forget

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/dowd-dove-1024x930.png

I do not care for Biden. But I at least know he's not going to assemble a cabinet whose sole goal is to dismantle the organizations they oversee. He won't do enough for the environment, but he's not gonna actively try to roll back every regulation that was enacted to protect it. The SC stuff really matters - see what happened in Wisconsin. I am legitimately concerned that another 4 years of Republican rule could lead to enough voter suppression measures to ensure that they never lose again. None of this has a thing to do with Biden. He sucks but he's playing for the right team. If you were a Broncos fan, you still rooted for Tim Tebow.

xp - so Trump disingenuously outflanked her on a major issue by being completely honest about her record?

Hard to imagine how that could happen to Biden.

about every other day I get a notification from NYT to let me know that the trump administration has just dismantled key regulations at EPA. seriously, like every two fucking days. the IGNORANCE to claim that trump and biden are the same on climate, or just environmental policy at all, is astounding. note for ILX posters: don't use the fucking environment as your example of how biden and trump are the same without first knowing 0.00000001% of what you're talking about