Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

i seem to remember there was little difference between trump and hillary too. i mean, at least trump won't start a war!

never forget

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/dowd-dove-1024x930.png

I do not care for Biden. But I at least know he's not going to assemble a cabinet whose sole goal is to dismantle the organizations they oversee. He won't do enough for the environment, but he's not gonna actively try to roll back every regulation that was enacted to protect it. The SC stuff really matters - see what happened in Wisconsin. I am legitimately concerned that another 4 years of Republican rule could lead to enough voter suppression measures to ensure that they never lose again. None of this has a thing to do with Biden. He sucks but he's playing for the right team. If you were a Broncos fan, you still rooted for Tim Tebow.

xp - so Trump disingenuously outflanked her on a major issue by being completely honest about her record?

Hard to imagine how that could happen to Biden.

about every other day I get a notification from NYT to let me know that the trump administration has just dismantled key regulations at EPA. seriously, like every two fucking days. the IGNORANCE to claim that trump and biden are the same on climate, or just environmental policy at all, is astounding. note for ILX posters: don't use the fucking environment as your example of how biden and trump are the same without first knowing 0.00000001% of what you're talking about

joe biden's day 1 for EPA will be to reverse what trump did over the last 4 years, and it'll take just as long to rebuild the regulations as it did to destroy them

You're arguing with thin air - even xyz framed it as "significant enough to matter."

in the scale of the universe none of this matters what kind of dumbass argument are you conducting?

Biden won't drone-bomb an Afghan wedding now? And his inaction on climate will make him as bad as Trump.

But hey he will tweet less and since you all don't like twitter that's a positive.

― xyzzzz__,Thursday, April 16, 2020 2:59 AM (eight hours ago)

ctrl+F, "significant enough to matter": 1 result (your post, just now)

"even if biden reregulates mercury it won't stop the heat death of the universe that's why i'm voting green"

Karl, you quoted him:

Is there enough of a difference to count, is the question.

― xyzzzz__

oh. i just assumed that when you put something in quotes, it actually happened.

is the difference between trump and biden significant enough to matter. oh, well that totally changes everything!!! i was arguing that they weren't exactly the same, but now that it's clarified as "significant enough to matter", well gee i didn't think of it that way

hmmmm

let me just make an image big enough to break the fucking dumbass internet

https://i.imgur.com/jLG0ys6.jpg

please right click to view in a new tab and then zoom to 100%

these ppl claim the candidates are the same every election. they claimed gore and gwb were the same. i know this isn't the most consequential election of my lifetime bc 2000 was and instead of the prescient climate change guy we elected the ignoramus ignore intelligence briefings and invade iraq guy.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/f5b10d0d087853b38c2c2f35c7686363/tenor.gif?itemid=4361721

if it seems like i'm overreacting, keep in mind that i have to call my mom later today, and she believes in Planet X, the apocalypse happening this year, a "one world financial system" that is coming because of the covid 19 hoax, AND, she DOESN'T THINK THERE'S A REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BIDEN OR TRUMP EITHER

LOOOOOOOOL FUCK

If you would like the longer form - "is there enough of a difference in Trump and Biden on the environment, given the looming climate catastrophe. to earn my vote (if I could vote in the United States)" - if one does not see Biden making progress on climate change, that answer may well be no.

Even Joe agrees - he told a climate activist upset with his position on fracking to "vote for someone else" IIRC.

milo...

you believed what this ornery asshole told a voter who pissed him off? You believe he wouldn't automatically, as a Democrat, be a better environmental president than any Republican -- especially with increasing evidence he's getting tugged leftward or to at least entertain left ideas?

Never mind. I'm going to regret the answers.

if it seems like i'm overreacting, keep in mind that i have to call my mom later today, and she believes in Planet X, the apocalypse happening this year, a "one world financial system" that is coming because of the covid 19 hoax, AND, she DOESN'T THINK THERE'S A REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BIDEN OR TRUMP EITHER

if these people wind up not turning out for Trump then he's done

I'm posting here because it's the end of the work day and I want to get punched in the face to lift me out of one dream into another, but milo z: I see you are posting a lot in this thread about being anti-Biden. I only remember you from your past posts about guns. Are you still strongly committed to the legalization of guns?

I'm posting here because it's the end of the work day and I want to get punched in the face to lift me out of one dream into another,

Good morning!

he stopped being the angry gun guy and became the angry WWC guy about a year or two ago iirc i guess the two are not that different

If you would like the longer form - "is there enough of a difference in Trump and Biden on the environment, given the looming climate catastrophe. to earn my vote (if I could vote in the United States)" - if one does not see Biden making progress on climate change, that answer may well be no.

Even Joe agrees - he told a climate activist upset with his position on fracking to "vote for someone else" IIRC.

you recall correctly. iirc, i was the one who posted about that multiple times, the day it happened. isn't it weird how someone like me, who actively criticizes joe biden on climate and environmental policy and thinks he fucking sucks on numerous issues, and also as a human being, can still recognize that somehow he would be better at it than donald trump? it's almost like there are degrees of badness, that there is no "rock bottom", that the reality of climate change is trying to steer civilization toward the slightly less-horrific end of a range of horrific scenarios, and that things that are bad can always get worse

You know, Dante wrote a long poem about levels of hell.

*plane headed nosedown into a pile of shit*

"we must hit the ground harder to shock everyone else into progressive action"

You know, Dante wrote a long poem about levels of hell.

dante was too optimistic. (/werner herzog)

in dante's version, the 9th level is frozen, things stop moving, and at least there's a sense of finality and closure.

in our world, deeper levels are being constructed all the time, and there's a bunch of people on the 3rd level saying that it couldn't possibly get worse

the 10th level is this thread iirc

virgil is pretty much the same as brutus and judas. after all, they're both in hell

you believed what this ornery asshole told a voter who pissed him off?

You believe he wouldn't automatically, as a Democrat, be a better environmental president than any Republican

Obviously there are differences between the parties - but even the better party does a lot of awful shit like help lead us into criminal wars, bomb weddings and hospitals, yada yada yada. It is entirely understandable and reasonable for someone to not see the better party as different in a meaningful way if, say, they are adamantly and wholly opposed to bombing weddings.

especially with increasing evidence he's getting tugged leftward or to at least entertain left ideas?

There is no "increasing evidence" as of yet. We'll see! He has seven months to convince people and buy their votes.

your posts are like mad libs of all your previous posts

I'm posting here because it's the end of the work day and I want to get punched in the face to lift me out of one dream into another, but milo z: I see you are posting a lot in this thread about being anti-Biden. I only remember you from your past posts about guns. Are you still strongly committed to the legalization of guns?

I don't own any guns and haven't for quite some time. I was never "strongly committed to the legalization of guns," of course, but I don't particularly care about gun issues (pro/con/anti/etc.) at all politically.

whatever. it's depressing because it really doesn't matter. there are going to be a ton of people thinking like this in swing states, and it doesn't matter how wrong they are

If there are enough of them to matter, then it's Biden and the Democrats' job to sell him to those people, right?

It's really that simple. They can be right or wrong or confused or whatever, but if they're a relevant voting bloc it's the candidate's job to earn their votes.

i agree with that

i'm going to go eat homemade macaroni and cheese now

the answer is yes

― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone),Thursday, 16 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

https://youtu.be/OULLiXkwVck

nope

man, i fucking HATE that, xyzzzzzz

have i argued with you under a different username on climate denial bullshit comment sections, from the early 2000s present?

I didn't say Biden and Trump were the same however their differences aren't enough to matter.

Karl - are you ok, or do you just hate Television?

Karl has been thoroughly otm

if one does not see Biden making progress on climate change

I feel like "progress" is the sticking point here. While I too would prefer to see actual progress—taking, say, 2015 as a baseline—even "less regress" still constitutes a significant difference, and I'm puzzled as to how the left benefits from pretending otherwise. How does framing Trump's relentless assault on environmental regulations as being equivalent to Biden's platform do anything other than soft-pedal Trump's actions?

alright that kind of got xposted to death, so let me ask: what does matter mean to you guys?

because speaking of not being able to tell the difference between things, i can't distinguish between you and a million WATTS UP WITH THAT blowhards who cite all the very important "skeptical" views on climate change that are absolutely bogus, and then when called out on it by people who know what they're talking about, retort "PROVE IT"

when something is very obvious and everyone agrees on it, the onus is on the guy who can't tell the difference between a petrified hairball and a can of lysol to PROVE IT

Biden would nominate a Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. Biden would nominate Rick Perry and Scott Pruitt to the Cabinet and a major regulatory agency, respectively.

Okay.

xp

It's really that simple. They can be right or wrong or confused or whatever, but if they're a relevant voting bloc it's the candidate's job to earn their votes.

it's also biden's job to win the votes of centrist suburbanites. and the unfortunate structural advantage they have over the left bloc is that their votes are worth twice as much (because they're otherwise going to trump instead of being tossed into a black hole) and they actually aren't gonna be as bummed if trump wins regardless (so they have a more credible threat of not voting for biden.)

Then Biden should relentlessly pursue those centrist suburbanites and abandon the left - and no one should be mad at them when they don't vote for him. If their votes matter less or they're simply worth less as a bloc, then the outcome won't be changed.

he needs to win both it's a balancing act obv

nope, things are either exactly the same, or completely black and white mutually-exclusive options. there is either complete identity or there are polar opposites, nothing between