Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

actually, i see roberts takes it further than i thought ("or they're going to vote third party" - i have no issue with that, as long as it doesn't matter)

that's funny I was just going to post this link to a v good Roberts piece: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/4/16/21220312/coronavirus-stimulus-renewable-energy-democrats

I swear to christ if RBG and Breyer (81 his damn self) don’t retire the very minute Biden takes the oath of office...

although if dems don’t retake the senate I don’t suppose it matters

hey can you please provide a citation for this absurd claim? Who itt has ever said that?

― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII),Thursday, 16 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

You seemed to be listing Trump's list of foreign policy crimes as if to say Biden wouldn't be as bad. Just taking some dramatic license but my point stands.

That Roberts tweet is dumb as shit. If you can’t make a positive case for Biden, if you can’t understand why someone might not see him as a positive force in the world, that’s your problem.

Just interested as to why you would vote for this prick if you lived in a swing state xp

At this point even Biden appears to be far less likely to get us into a war with Iran. No fewer coups or drone strikes but probably not an actual honest to god (attempted) invasion.

Just taking some dramatic license but my point stands.

The exaggeration was identical to your point.

Biden doesn’t know where the fuck he is but I’m (futilely) hoping that the ppl who end up in his orbit recognize the seething rage of everyone under the age of 45 who are Left of Jim Webb

If you can’t make a positive case for Biden, if you can’t understand why someone might not see him as a positive force in the world, that’s your problem.

to flip that around, if you can't recognize that a 20,000 ft slab of concrete that extends out into space is different than a plate of rotten salami, that's your problem

the only thing a prospective leader can be fairly compared to is

what, perfection?

if you just literally dont think there should be a president of the united states prob fairer to make that explicit

At this point even Biden appears to be far less likely to get us into a war with Iran. No fewer coups or drone strikes but probably not an actual honest to god (attempted) invasion.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z),Thursday, 16 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

1 x good argument for Biden. Finally (with the caveat Biden would escalate things back up with North Korea but that would probably just be words).

well the end goal is for there to not be a united states but we'll work that out

The bIg lesson for me in all of this—as someone who four years ago wondered if Donald Trump's lack of ideology made him less harmful than, for example, Mike Pence—is that in this system, amorality is vastly more dangerous than immorality.

The ideologue requires an countervailing opposition, without which he has no oxygen. He can be engaged on (broadly) shared terms, and because he forwards his ideology on moral grounds (whatever their merit), his actions can be called into question. Tacit in his assertion of ideas is that ideas exist, that some are better than others.

The amoralist isn't going to fight back, he doesn't even believe in the most corrupt system. There's nothing there, you're punching a ghost. In another system—in a truly representative democracy with genuine checks on power and inequality—this kind of cipher would have no traction. But *this* system is designed for him. All he needs to do is climb on board, after that the damage unfolds almost on its own.

1 x good argument for Biden. Finally

wait, is this actually what you're looking for? arguments in favor of biden over trump? you...can't see them already?

let me blow your mind: i bet joe biden wouldn't appoint his son-in-law to lead 20+ different initiatives ranging from the opiod crisis to israel/palestine peace. wow!

+ 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

who would he appoint tho

hold on, gotta hit google

i don't want to jump the gun, but i am quickly running across MULTIPLE ITEMS THAT SUGGEST BIDEN WOULD BE BETTER THAN TRUMP

i kind of want to post it here to vet it with you all, but i'm thinking this could finally be my viral piece for the atlantic that shoots me to fame

end goal is for there to not be a united states but we'll work that out

plz make sure that, as a preliminary step, you eliminate assault weapons or there might be some undesirable complications with this plan

Just taking some dramatic license but my point stands.
― xyzzzz__,Thursday, April 16, 2020 2:18 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

well, no, it doesn't, not if that license completely distorts what someone said

holy shit. have you all heard of something called CORONAVIRUS

to flip that around, if you can't recognize that a 20,000 ft slab of concrete that extends out into space is different than a plate of rotten salami, that's your problem

Well... no. It’s your problem as someone fretting about Biden’s potential in swing states. Clearly the person there not voting or voting Green has made their choice.

Hectoring people for not recognizing that your guy isn’t as bad as the other guy, rather than explaining how your guy represents an improvement in the circumstances of that voter and the people that voter cares about is the strategy that got us Dubya and Trump in the first place.

YOU GUYS IT'S COLDER OUTSIDE THAN IN MY APARTMENT

let me blow your mind: i bet joe biden wouldn't appoint his son-in-law to lead 20+ different initiatives ranging from the opiod crisis to israel/palestine peace. wow!

― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone),Thursday, 16 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

lol...a bit less corruption, as a treat.

beats a bit more corruption, as a punishment

Hectoring people for not recognizing that your guy isn’t as bad as the other guy, rather than explaining how your guy represents an improvement in the circumstances of that voter and the people that voter cares about is the strategy that got us Dubya and Trump in the first place.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z),Thursday, 16 April 2020 18:35 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

dont think anyone here, including yourself up until this very post, has been making this argument so narrow as to be "no no i mean for this *one individual voter* there's no difference" but hey if thats the point, woof

Hectoring people for not recognizing that your guy isn’t as bad as the other guy, rather than explaining how your guy represents an improvement in the circumstances of that voter and the people that voter cares about is the strategy that got us Dubya and Trump in the first place.

sure, but let's stop pretending like people in this boat are going to be convinced by an obvious argument that makes sense. you said it yourself, in the same post: "Well... no. It’s your problem as someone fretting about Biden’s potential in swing states. Clearly the person there not voting or voting Green has made their choice." clearly they already made their dumb choice

is this the Biden thread or seamless gifs

lol

it's 2016, it's 2000, it's all the same. no real difference between bush and gore, no real difference between trump and clinton

STOP TAKING THE BAIT

wait, hold on

i want this to turn into the thing where someone starts shusshing and then everyone else starts shusshing the shusher, and then someone in brooklyn opens their window and yells SHUT THE FUCK UP, but then a few seconds later that wakes up someone else who also opens their window and yells the same thing

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haha sorry, that was aimed at myself as much as anyone; like I need to accept that I'm not going to change anyone's mind on the thread today

Karl - you play with your straw man and be in peace.

what is the term when meant to strawman but it turns out their point was even worse than you thought

Clearly the person there not voting or voting Green has made their choice." clearly they already made their dumb choice

If they’re unreachable, why fret or care? Tell them they’re dumb assholes and accept whatever may come in November.

nawman

xyzzz turning into bizarre gabbneb

will take xyz over neb 9 times out of 10 tbh

otm

i want this to turn into the thing where someone starts shusshing and then everyone else starts shusshing the shusher, and then someone in brooklyn opens their window and yells SHUT THE FUCK UP, but then a few seconds later that wakes up someone else who also opens their window and yells the same thing

― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone),Thursday, April 16, 2020 11:43 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP3eiC2tcp8

dont think anyone here, including yourself up until this very post, has been making this argument so narrow as to be "no no i mean for this *one individual voter* there's no difference" but hey if thats the point, woof

Collectives are made up of individuals IIRC.

Karl - you play with your straw man and be in peace.

― xyzzzz__,Thursday, April 16, 2020 7:45 PM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

is there anything worse than being a nihilistic troll who dresses themselves in the garb of someone who cares more than anyone else? because in every politics thread you stink up you never give the impression you care about anything more than "winning" every argument. and "winning" for you always seems to be having sharper "zings", rather than winning someone over to your point of view. You're positively Trumpian, in that every time you're out-argued - which is EVERY time, whether it's Karl bringing his actual experience as someone working/who has worked within the realm of climate change, or unperson pointing out yesterday that Biden literally just ran a commercial on the subject you say he's never engaged with - you just change front or accuse people of using strawmen. The truth is, a strawman has more depth and sense than you, and at least isn't incredibly annoying and self-satisfied. No wonder you're always cutting and pasting tweets rather than articulating points yourself - Twitter is your perfect arena, 280 characters and out.

You're positively Trumpian

Probably on Moscow’s payroll too!!!

zing!

I used the straw man as a word just the once -- and this is what Karl was doing when he casts some of the critics as arguing that Democrats and Republicans are the same when there are clearly other things going on. I'm pointing out on a few occasions how Biden won't be a significant change from Trump -- certainly one that isn't enough vote for, and all you are calling me is Trumpian. Its desperate stuff, take a break.